Rare look at referee discipline

[jwa123]

Marshall's whining to Elgin and the MVC finally paid off last night. Refs gave him a game that was lost and it's going to give them an MVC title. Better put an asterisk next to this one in the record book.

I sure hope that the MVC office reprimands the officials who took the game away from the players last night and decided it themselves. Wasn't that the point they were trying to make to the official at the end of the SIU-WSU game?

What a buffoon.

Nobody gave anybody anything. Carmichael went kung fu on Cotton. The obvious flagrant was missed. Illinois State gets fouled and shoots 2 free throws they shouldn't have even been shooting. Refs get the call right, well almost, should have been a flagrant 2 and automatic ejection. WSU gets 2 throws. Illinois State shoots a couple of dumbass quick 3 pointers. WSU continues to score. Illinois State turns the ball over out of bounds. WSU cashes in. Carmichael mows over Carl Hall without a call and karma answers with a missed shot.

Nice try though.

We at least agree that Jackie did charge on that last play. No argument here. However, I'm not surprised that it wasn't called. The shot went clunk and was rolling around on the floor when the clock ran out. I've seen the same no-call in other similar situations. What would have been the point of calling a charge at that juncture? The game was over and WSU won.

[shoxrox]

I actually agree that it was probably a good no-call. Don't know if I would've felt the same if the ball had went in.

It looked pretty blatant to me. I guess I've just seen WSU on the wrong end of those situations so much that I think we should have gotten some back in return.

Overall though, I do like players deciding the ways games finish.

[rlh04d]

Yes, Wichita has so often benefited from whistles in St. Louis. Astute observation.

No one, repeat, NO ONE whines in this conference as much as Shockers fans. They take after their coach obviously. Instead of giving credit to a young undermanned SIU team for not quitting when down 17 points to your NBA lottery picks and amazing head coach, you say you shouldn't have lost. Well guess what? YOU LOST! We'll all be happy if you ever get the chance to take your delusions of grandeur to another league so we don't have to listen to your crybaby bs all the time.

Says the guy that was just whining about how St. Louis is going to be biased towards WSU this year. You are PREEMPTIVELY whining.

I've actually seen very few people complain about the loss to SIU as not being deserved. WSU played like crap the entire game, and almost every WSU fan I've talked to thought we deserved to lose the game. The goaltending call was still garbage, though.

[rlh04d]

It is being reported that the MVC has disciplined the referees from the WSU-ISU game last night for the error in FT shooters following the Carmichael foul.

I was very confused by that whole thing.

I still don't understand how ISU got to have their FTs. And it was Early who shot the WSU FTs, despite the kick being on Cotton, right?

[rlh04d]

Marshall's whining to Elgin and the MVC finally paid off last night. Refs gave him a game that was lost and it's going to give them an MVC title. Better put an asterisk next to this one in the record book.

I sure hope that the MVC office reprimands the officials who took the game away from the players last night and decided it themselves. Wasn't that the point they were trying to make to the official at the end of the SIU-WSU game?

Yeah. Because the point the MVC was trying to make is that you should allow someone to KICK A GUY IN THE HEAD without a penalty.

Clearly the point they were trying to make is that no penalty should ever be called in the final minute.

It's such a shame. If it wasn't for the referees taking the game out of the player's hands, Carmichael was going to punch Early in the mouth when he went up for that three. ISU would have won easily if the players had just been able to "Decide" it themselves.

[Aargh]

The Valley has reviewed the film and obviously agrees that a flagrant should have been called.

The rule book states that if a coach feels a flagrant should have been called, he can appeal at the next dead ball, but any play that transpires between the no-call and the dead ball stands.

Maybe the refs let Early have the throws as a "make up" for running 5 seconds off the clock and giving IlSU two throws (and two points) they never should have got.

[Ali]

The Valley has reviewed the film and obviously agrees that a flagrant should have been called.

The rule book states that if a coach feels a flagrant should have been called, he can appeal at the next dead ball, but any play that transpires between the no-call and the dead ball stands.

Maybe the refs let Early have the throws as a "make up" for running 5 seconds off the clock and giving IlSU two throws (and two points) they never should have got.

Anyone else think WSU has some bad karma coming in St Louis?

[CBB_Fan]

I think the refs should have been disciplined: they made the wrong call (twice) and it definitely could have affected the outcome of the game.

However, neither side can really say they were screwed because of the refs. Illinois State made 10 more free throws than the Shockers even took, and they would not have gotten two free-throws if the call was made correctly (that is the way it should work by the rules, but it definitely should be revisited). The Shockers, of course, got a much better free-throw shooter to make their shots to keep them within 5.

[shocktheheart]

The Valley has reviewed the film and obviously agrees that a flagrant should have been called.

The rule book states that if a coach feels a flagrant should have been called, he can appeal at the next dead ball, but any play that transpires between the no-call and the dead ball stands.

Maybe the refs let Early have the throws as a "make up" for running 5 seconds off the clock and giving IlSU two throws (and two points) they never should have got.

Anyone else think WSU has some bad karma coming in St Louis?

And how would this be any different then any other year?

[shoxrox]

The Valley has reviewed the film and obviously agrees that a flagrant should have been called.

The rule book states that if a coach feels a flagrant should have been called, he can appeal at the next dead ball, but any play that transpires between the no-call and the dead ball stands.

Maybe the refs let Early have the throws as a "make up" for running 5 seconds off the clock and giving IlSU two throws (and two points) they never should have got.

Anyone else think WSU has some bad karma coming in St Louis?

Seriously?

This whole thing is totally being blown out of proportion as usual. WSU won the game. Illinois State crapped the bed. The correct calls were made minus the free throw shooter. People assume Cotton would have missed 1 or both. People forget ISU got the benefit of 2 additional throws. WSU guy gets kicked in the chest by a foot and we are the ones having bad karma headed for us?

Most of the neutral party fans have made their cases and I think have been pretty rational. But then there's a few that seem to be totally delusional.