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Re: If Creighton leaves, I'm going to miss the Valley

Postby CaseyGarrisonforPrez » March 15th, 2013, 12:10 pm

DoubleJayAlum wrote: Since 1999, Creighton has been to the NCAA tournament NINE times. That is over 50% of the time. Only SIU is close in that period.


Here's the thing about this statistic. It is inflated by what happened in the relatively ancient past ie the 1999,2000,2001,2002, 2003 run. Since the 2003-2004 season you are talking just four appearances. Since the start of the 2007-2008 season we are talking just two.

You can frame statistics to make any number of arguments. I could cite the one win in the NCAA tournament since 2002 as a counterargument that would show CU's relative lack of success but I won't do so because it is just one metric.

Conversely I could claim that MSU is the most successful athletic program in the Valley because nobody has been close to accomplishing the triple of men's S16, women's F4, and CWS appearance but that spans from 1999 to 2003 so it is not a relevent measure.
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Postby CaseyGarrisonforPrez » March 15th, 2013, 12:25 pm

A few supplemental thoughts:

Creighton fans are wearing me out man. If you don't bow before them and acknowledge their incomporable mastery of James Naismith's game you are just jealous hayseeds that are bitter. Guffaw. When I read Blue Jay Underground right now sometimes I have to check myself because I start to think I am reading a Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, or UCLA board.

I am about through with them to be entirely forthcoming and honest. They have some terrific fans that are humble and I wish them well but man I am getting tired. Tired of all the hubris. Tired of hearing how my school is inferior because we have not committed to basketball (what does that even mean?). Tired of hearing fellow Midwesterners rip on other Midwesterners because well...they are Midwestern. Sigh. I don't know when they are going to leave but it cannot get here soon enough. RPI be darned. Tired of this. And Shocker fans are antagonizing them. I get that. But it is clear to anyone with even 20/200 vision who the protagonists are and who the antagonists are. That's all I got.
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Re: If Creighton leaves, I'm going to miss the Valley

Postby PorkTornado » March 15th, 2013, 12:32 pm

CaseyGarrisonforPrez wrote:A few supplemental thoughts:

Creighton fans are wearing me out man. If you don't bow before them and acknowledge their incomporable mastery of James Naismith's game you are just jealous hayseeds that are bitter. Guffaw. When I read Blue Jay Underground right now sometimes I have to check myself because I start to think I am reading a Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, or UCLA board.

I am about through with them to be entirely forthcoming and honest. They have some terrific fans that are humble and I wish them well but man I am getting tired. Tired of all the hubris. Tired of hearing how my school is inferior because we have not committed to basketball (what does that even mean?). Tired of hearing fellow Midwesterners rip on other Midwesterners because well...they are Midwestern. Sigh. I don't know when they are going to leave but it cannot get here soon enough. RPI be darned. Tired of this. And Shocker fans are antagonizing them. I get that. But it is clear to anyone with even 20/200 vision who the protagonists are and who the antagonists are. That's all I got.

Bluejay, one word.
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Re: If Creighton leaves, I'm going to miss the Valley

Postby Red » March 15th, 2013, 1:09 pm

CU leaving is a blow to the MVC. On the bright side, someone else will finally get to win Arch Madness.
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Re: If Creighton leaves, I'm going to miss the Valley

Postby Jays26 » March 15th, 2013, 1:15 pm

CaseyGarrisonforPrez wrote:A few supplemental thoughts:

Creighton fans are wearing me out man. If you don't bow before them and acknowledge their incomporable mastery of James Naismith's game you are just jealous hayseeds that are bitter. Guffaw. When I read Blue Jay Underground right now sometimes I have to check myself because I start to think I am reading a Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, or UCLA board.

I am about through with them to be entirely forthcoming and honest. They have some terrific fans that are humble and I wish them well but man I am getting tired. Tired of all the hubris. Tired of hearing how my school is inferior because we have not committed to basketball (what does that even mean?). Tired of hearing fellow Midwesterners rip on other Midwesterners because well...they are Midwestern. Sigh. I don't know when they are going to leave but it cannot get here soon enough. RPI be darned. Tired of this. And Shocker fans are antagonizing them. I get that. But it is clear to anyone with even 20/200 vision who the protagonists are and who the antagonists are. That's all I got.


Casey...you wore us all out a LONG time ago.
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Re: If Creighton leaves, I'm going to miss the Valley

Postby C0|db|00ded » March 15th, 2013, 1:41 pm

The following information needs to be repeated again because there are still some Fans Of BJ who think the new catholic league is going to get 6-7 bids a year:

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The catholic schools have split from the Big East leaving behind Cincinnati, Louisville, Connecticut, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Notre Dame. They plan on replacing those teams with schools like Xavier, Butler, Creighton, Dayton, Saint Louis, or Richmond. What should be abundantly clear at this moment is that the new "Big East" ain't the old Big East. All of the at-large bids the Big East receives each year is due to the tremendous assortment of powerful basketball programs - most of which the catholics are leaving behind.

Georgetown and Villanova have been strong programs as of late but they will surely suffer in recruiting and eventually quality of play due to having the likes of Butler and Dayton on their schedule instead of Uconn and Syracuse. Whatever bump the Butler's and the Dayton's of the basketball world receive in their program, it will be at the expense of the rest of the catholic 7. And the two premier C7 teams, Villanova and Georgetown will suffer the most.

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Do you think if we made a conference up of Wichita State, BJ, Butler, VCU, Xavier, Memphis, Gonzaga Dayton, New Mexico, and San Diego St. we would get 6-7 bids a year? Of course not. Each one of those teams would cannibalize the other until you were left with 2 or 3 at the top of the league available for NCAA consideration. That is exactly what is going to happen in the new Catholic league. Georgetown and Villanova will retain some cachet until they start getting beat by some of the mid-majors that joined the league with them. Then they will be screwed and will be considered overrated by the selection committee. The Big10, Big12, SEC, ACC, and Pac10, BigEast (old) will maintain the illusion of superiority because of their highly rated recruits and their season-long battle amongst their "elite" selves. If you people haven't learned by now that it is all about the "eye test", highly rated recruits (see: NBA eventuals), and brand name, you will never get it.

If the catholic league starts signing 4 and 5 star players who are eventually going to the NBA then things would be different, but you know that isn't going to happen. Those players are going to the SEC, Big12, Big10, and Pac10, Big East (old). The best thing that could happen for the league is for Georgetown to dominate and continue to recruit high-level players ala Memphis in CUSA. But I don't think Georgetown can be the type of team Memphis was with Calipari. Calipari can flat out recruit (regardless if he is a dirty, rotten cheat.).

Again, I see Georgetown and Villanova losing their shine, and while nobody will consider them a mid-major, they will be looked at like the Providences and Depauls of the world.. and that's sad. A very BIG mistake Gtown and Nova leaving the Uconn's and Syracuses of the world is/was.

I predict 2, maybe 3 NCAA bids year in and year out in the new catholic league. Still much better than the MVC on average, but I don't think they EVER break 4 bids which the MVC got in 2006.

Time will tell.


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Re: If Creighton leaves, I'm going to miss the Valley

Postby DoubleJayAlum » March 15th, 2013, 1:49 pm

Poor Casey.

Instead of getting all upset at Creighton fans, he should get angry at whoever is making him read the Bluejay Underground against his will. :Bam:
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Re: If Creighton leaves, I'm going to miss the Valley

Postby shoxrox » March 15th, 2013, 2:23 pm

DoubleJayAlum wrote:By the way, is it true that a WSU coach has never taken WSU to three consecutive NCAA tournaments?


This is what I love about you. You think you're the good guy, only bringing relevant discussion to the table, and then drop something completely irrelevant, acting like you just busted out your "slam of the century".

It's not like Creighton is blowing WSU away in your little nugget department. Creighton has done that 1 time with 1 coach in the early 2000's.

Big freaking whoop.
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Re: If Creighton leaves, I'm going to miss the Valley

Postby shoxrox » March 15th, 2013, 2:26 pm

In the Big East, Creighton certainly won't be the "big fish" anymore. Sure, they'll get some more money right away, but in the end they'll be in a similar NCAA position (arguably worse) than they are now in the Valley, except minus the conference regular season titles, which they have few of anyways.

A middle of the pack finish in that conference will be NCAA bubble territory from here on out. That's probably what Creighton will consistently get and if they're happy with that, then so be it.
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Re: If Creighton leaves, I'm going to miss the Valley

Postby Deanthonybowdenfan » March 15th, 2013, 11:46 pm

LOL you guys are great. Seriously though, out of all the posts, 2 or 3 of them were reasonable posts. And also I would like to thank the Creighton fan who started this post, for being classy and respectful. I'm proud to have fans like you in Bluejay Nation.

Good luck to everyone in the Valley. I expect all 9 remaining teams in the Valley to be very level in competition over the next decade. It is a very balanced league which is partly what makes it so great. I will miss the Valley also.
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