tonight's games in the MVC (11/20)

[Black]

It hasn't been just one game. You've already been proven wrong over the course of about 15 games. You will likely never admit it though because your ego can't justify it or because your disdain for WSU won't allow you to accept it.

Just remember that you were the one who made the statement when you did so don't be surprised by the reaction generated so far.

[BEARZ77]

I'm not surprised at all and don't have a problem that fans supporting WSU defend Baker. And I have no problem admitting if I'm wrong, but all you have to do is look at his last year's stats, and they represent a guy who was mostly a spot up shooter .Like I said if he starts taking people to the hole like a Lemon or Marshall does 3-4 x a game, then he will have proven me wrong.

And again I'm never surprised that if myself or anyone else has a critical comment about anything WSU it's always treated as a bias or jealous response.

[glm38]

I think having Ruder as a legit outside threat and Tyler (as needed) as a skilled space eater has opened things up for Marshall a bit.

I like those 2 a lot. They really don't look like freshmen at all. Ruder in particular plays with a lot of confidence. It's a long season though. And fortunately this year there are other older players to step in for us when needed. Having Gulley back is huge for Marshall too in terms of taking the pressure off and opening things up.

[mvcfan]

I'm not surprised at all and don't have a problem that fans supporting WSU defend Baker. And I have no problem admitting if I'm wrong, but all you have to do is look at his last year's stats, and they represent a guy who was mostly a spot up shooter .Like I said if he starts taking people to the hole like a Lemon or Marshall does 3-4 x a game, then he will have proven me wrong.

And again I'm never surprised that if myself or anyone else has a critical comment about anything WSU it's always treated as a bias or jealous response.

You'll never admit that you're wrong. You are the only one with this argument because everyone else knows your basketball analysis sucks.

[agrinut]

I think having Ruder as a legit outside threat and Tyler (as needed) as a skilled space eater has opened things up for Marshall a bit.

Don't know about that, Marcus isn't really trying to force things last game he was 6-6 perfect from the field. Not sure that he is the benefactor of the frosh yet.

[Haha]

a guy who was mostly a spot up shooter

I mean this by the pure definition of the term. Not calling you stupid or anything else insulting.

You are simply ignorant of what type of player Baker is.

I have watched this kid pass well, defend well, rebound well, move without the ball well, "put it on the floor and get a layup", put it on the floor and sink pull up 15 footers, drain 3's with a very quick release. He is 6'3, long, strong, athletic. Oh and his BBIQ has got to be tops or equal on the team.

To state Baker is "mostly a spot up shooter" just screams ignorance. You simply don't know what you are trying to judge. But yes he can "spot up" and shoot a little too.

[Wufan]

I think having Ruder as a legit outside threat and Tyler (as needed) as a skilled space eater has opened things up for Marshall a bit.

Don't know about that, Marcus isn't really trying to force things last game he was 6-6 perfect from the field. Not sure that he is the benefactor of the frosh yet.

Have only seen one game, but compared to last year the Bears can shoot it a bit better (Ruder) and have an inside presence that was lacking (Tyler). Marshall, subjectively, seems to be shooting it better. Maybe it's because he's a year older or because we don't have enough data yet, but I would think that those new freshman weapons make it difficult to focus on one or two players allowing Marshall better shot selection. Maybe just the rule change...don't know.

[agrinut]

I think having Ruder as a legit outside threat and Tyler (as needed) as a skilled space eater has opened things up for Marshall a bit.

Don't know about that, Marcus isn't really trying to force things last game he was 6-6 perfect from the field. Not sure that he is the benefactor of the frosh yet.

Have only seen one game, but compared to last year the Bears can shoot it a bit better (Ruder) and have an inside presence that was lacking (Tyler). Marshall, subjectively, seems to be shooting it better. Maybe it's because he's a year older or because we don't have enough data yet, but I would think that those new freshman weapons make it difficult to focus on one or two players allowing Marshall better shot selection. Maybe just the rule change...don't know.

I think the rule changes as much as anything will help him this year. You are right in the Bears ability to shoot from deep this year, Gulley, Ruder, Marshall, and even Thurman can stretch. The addition of a true post player has done wonders for the Bears on the glass already.

[BEARZ77]

Just to put things in perspective for all you "emotional" WSU fans, last year 74% of Bakers shots were treys, while a guy like Lemon was at 24.7% , Ballentine at 34%, and even Marshall who had to take a lot of late shot clock treys because our offense stank was still at only 54% comparatively. Show that stat to any knowledgeable basketball person and they will say guy's primarily a spot up shooter who doesn't attack you off the dribble much.

You can call me names, question my intelligence, do all the little petty things people do when facts aren't on their side in an argument, I don't care. I would respect an intelligent argument about how Baker's game is evolving, how maybe this year he's showing things he didn't last year etc etc. But none of that was offered. You just threw insults and called names , and tried to tell me a guy who shot 74% of his shots from behind the trey line last year, which was what my original comments were based on including observation of about 8-10 games, was someone who showed he consistently could break down people off the dribble and take it to the hole.

[mvcfan]

Just to put things in perspective for all you "emotional" WSU fans, last year 74% of Bakers shots were treys, while a guy like Lemon was at 24.7% , Ballentine at 34%, and even Marshall who had to take a lot of late shot clock treys because our offense stank was still at only 54% comparatively. Show that stat to any knowledgeable basketball person and they will say guy's primarily a spot up shooter who doesn't attack you off the dribble much.

You can call me names, question my intelligence, do all the little petty things people do when facts aren't on their side in an argument, I don't care. I would respect an intelligent argument about how Baker's game is evolving, how maybe this year he's showing things he didn't last year etc etc. But none of that was offered. You just threw insults and called names , and tried to tell me a guy who shot 74% of his shots from behind the trey line last year, which was what my original comments were based on including observation of about 8-10 games, was someone who showed he consistently could break down people off the dribble and take it to the hole.

I'll let you spout off about last year (why not-The Bears had a great year), and I'll talk about this year. Baker is a better shooter than Marshall.

Marshall / Baker
OVERALL 44% (13-30) / 55% (24-40)
THREE POINTERS 50% (5-10) / 50% (12-24)

FVV has the ball a lot and goes to the rim the most. Baker is on the Wing and FVV drives and dishes it out to open 3 Pt. Shooters on the wing when the defense comes to stop him.