UE- Ryan Sawvell

[Snaggletooth]

perhaps speculation, perhaps inside knowledge?????

If it was inside knowledge you wouldn't be talking, because those who can't keep their mouth shut will find their source for inside knowledge quickly cut off.

[TheAnswerMan]

The young team and lack size excuse is getting old. How many soph and junior bigs has he ran off? Johnson, House, Sawvell, Haarsma just to name a few. I thought last year was suppose to be "the year" for Marty. Colt was a senior and was his 6th year at the helm. NCAA? No. NIT? No. Pay 40k to play in some fifth tier tourney? Yes.
I predict Rokas will leave soon too as his playing time went from something his F year to nothing the past two. With him the fellow countryman will go as well. Martys record of keeping or even developing Bigs is pathetic.

Let's be fair. Johnson was not run off. He injured his knee, redshirted and left before his freshman year. House was not run off. He also had knee problems and transferred to another school and did not play because of...wait for it...an injured knee. Haarsma was not run off. He was a starter and transferred to be closer to his home in Wisconsin. Common. Rokas is on crutches, should he be on the floor with them? Let's add some names you missed. Jahr was run off for breaking team rules. He transferred to D2 and can't start there either. The Valpo transfer Bouchie quit again and stopped playing basketball altogether. Marty doesn't have that kind of power. Bouchie's lack of interest ran him off, not Coach Simmons. It's fine if you want to bash Coach Simmons. But at least try to be accurate with your criticism. No one he "ran off" set the world on fire under a different coach.

You should change your name to Marty's excuse man.

To be honest, I am not a fan nor have I ever been a fan of Marty Simmons. I would not have chosen as coach anyone from the Bobby Knight family tree. The cold Jim Crews was putting off fans with the Knight motion offense. Attendance was in decline. It made no sense to hire more coaches who play a motion offense, but that is exactly what they did. Tone deaf. If he was fired today I wouldn't care. My only interest is in correcting BS spewing from the outside. Truth shouldn't upset anyone.

The baloney spewed has been that bigs with talent are being run off by Simmons. I more than showed that not to be the case. I was so thorough that all you have left is a quick and childish insult. You'd be better served by saying that Simmons is unable to recruit talented bigs. You'd have a point there. Even Sawvell who was on the all-freshman team as a center was widely thought of inside of the Aces community to be out of position anywhere near the basket. They were right. But he was all Simmons had. But if Simmons did have a true center in Sawvell's freshman year, he wouldn't have played enough to make the all-freshman team. Those minutes belonged to seniors Denver Holmes and Kenny Harris and Junior Colt Ryan. So ironically, Sawvell built his fan base by under performing against MVC centers. It was that under performance that had them screaming to have him moved away from the basket. Sawvell will follow the pattern of the "bigs" who transferred before him. He will move down to a weaker conference or to D2 and he will have an average to slightly better than average year and a half. And his biggest fans will remain in lala land blaming Simmons for a transfer that amounted to very little. True.

[TheAnswerMan]

But, not Marty:

I think it opens up some opportunity — the next man up theory

...and...

It opens up some doors that we didn’t have before. Obviously, we’re going to have a scholarship we didn’t anticipate

Simmons is losing an experienced player and listing all the positives about that in the press. It makes it sound like he's happy Sawvell is leaving.

Yeah ... uh. I hadn't read that since it was updated with the interview with Marty.

With respect to the "typical departure": they usually come in April, not December. This clearly wasn't a kid who was homesick after being in E'ville for 2.5 years. I'm not sure what Marty was supposed to say, but "no further comment" would have been better than this...

I see nothing wrong with what he said. He didn't criticize Sawvell. That would be looking backwards and it would be petty and wrong. Coach Simmons is selling a product, sports entertainment. It would make no sense to project despair and panic with 80% of the season left. There is enough of that on your "fan" board.

[acesfool]

To be honest, I am not a fan nor have I ever been a fan of Marty Simmons. I would not have chosen as coach anyone from the Bobby Knight family tree. The cold Jim Crews was putting off fans with the Knight motion offense. Attendance was in decline. It made no sense to hire more coaches who play a motion offense, but that is exactly what they did. Tone deaf. If he was fired today I wouldn't care. My only interest is in correcting BS spewing from the outside. Truth shouldn't upset anyone.

The baloney spewed has been that bigs with talent are being run off by Simmons. I more than showed that not to be the case. I was so thorough that all you have left is a quick and childish insult. You'd be better served by saying that Simmons is unable to recruit talented bigs. You'd have a point there. Even Sawvell who was on the all-freshman team as a center was widely thought of inside of the Aces community to be out of position anywhere near the basket. They were right. But he was all Simmons had. But if Simmons did have a true center in Sawvell's freshman year, he wouldn't have played enough to make the all-freshman team. Those minutes belonged to seniors Denver Holmes and Kenny Harris and Junior Colt Ryan. So ironically, Sawvell built his fan base by under performing against MVC centers. It was that under performance that had them screaming to have him moved away from the basket. Sawvell will follow the pattern of the "bigs" who transferred before him. He will move down to a weaker conference or to D2 and he will have an average to slightly better than average year and a half. And his biggest fans will remain in lala land blaming Simmons for a transfer that amounted to very little. True.[/quote]
What makes you think you proved anything? All you showed was that bigs who wasted a couple of years playing for Marty didn't put up fantastic numbers anywhere else. Maybe it's because they lost two years setting screens and not developing their game. Why does Marty keep recruiting smalls that need screen after screen to get shots off. Why do the ones you think are impact players completely fold every time they face real talent. Why are bigs lucky if they get 15 minutes a game while a select few smalls get 35 plus minutes per game no matter what the score is. If those "impact" small players left and went somewhere else they would do nothing without all those screens. Let's see if you can handle the real truth.

[acesfool]

Yeah ... uh. I hadn't read that since it was updated with the interview with Marty.

With respect to the "typical departure": they usually come in April, not December. This clearly wasn't a kid who was homesick after being in E'ville for 2.5 years. I'm not sure what Marty was supposed to say, but "no further comment" would have been better than this...[/quote]

I see nothing wrong with what he said. He didn't criticize Sawvell. That would be looking backwards and it would be petty and wrong. Coach Simmons is selling a product, sports entertainment. It would make no sense to project despair and panic with 80% of the season left. There is enough of that on your "fan" board.[/quote]
No, your not Marty's excuse man

[m-v-c]

Simmons is losing an experienced player and listing all the positives about that in the press. It makes it sound like he's happy Sawvell is leaving. I'm sure there have been many (if not all) coaches who have been thrilled when a player leaves, but they don't go to the press with that info. I'd prefer Marty showed a little more respect for a player he recruited and coached. Maybe if Sawvell didn't progress in college, just maybe that's not totally on the player.

At the same time, many people complain about being non-descript when coaches don't say anything about it. Perhaps Marty was just being honest (or trying to be as honest as can be) or perhaps he was clueing in that he is happy the kid left, without actually saying it.

Most times when players leave a program it has far more to do with the player than the coach. Especially in college basketball now, where players transferring is a dime a dozen. From the outside would have a much easier time buying TheAnswerMan's theory than the one claiming the coach would just rather his son play at all cost than actually try to win games.

And side note, my goodness how a fan base can melt down after a couple losses. Little over a week ago people were fired up and encouraged with where UE was at. Now two bad losses (to good teams) and a rather average contributor leaving and people want Marty's head and think the coach's son is horrible. Give it some time, it's a young team.

[TheAnswerMan]

Simmons is losing an experienced player and listing all the positives about that in the press. It makes it sound like he's happy Sawvell is leaving. I'm sure there have been many (if not all) coaches who have been thrilled when a player leaves, but they don't go to the press with that info. I'd prefer Marty showed a little more respect for a player he recruited and coached. Maybe if Sawvell didn't progress in college, just maybe that's not totally on the player.

At the same time, many people complain about being non-descript when coaches don't say anything about it. Perhaps Marty was just being honest (or trying to be as honest as can be) or perhaps he was clueing in that he is happy the kid left, without actually saying it.

Most times when players leave a program it has far more to do with the player than the coach. Especially in college basketball now, where players transferring is a dime a dozen. From the outside would have a much easier time buying TheAnswerMan's theory than the one claiming the coach would just rather his son play at all cost than actually try to win games.

And side note, my goodness how a fan base can melt down after a couple losses. Little over a week ago people were fired up and encouraged with where UE was at. Now two bad losses (to good teams) and a rather average contributor leaving and people want Marty's head and think the coach's son is horrible. Give it some time, it's a young team.

You have to know Evansville to understand the meltdown of their "fan" base. It is a self-loathing town of German immigrants. They are bred to be unhappy about themselves.

[acesfool]

Simmons is losing an experienced player and listing all the positives about that in the press. It makes it sound like he's happy Sawvell is leaving. I'm sure there have been many (if not all) coaches who have been thrilled when a player leaves, but they don't go to the press with that info. I'd prefer Marty showed a little more respect for a player he recruited and coached. Maybe if Sawvell didn't progress in college, just maybe that's not totally on the player.

At the same time, many people complain about being non-descript when coaches don't say anything about it. Perhaps Marty was just being honest (or trying to be as honest as can be) or perhaps he was clueing in that he is happy the kid left, without actually saying it.

Most times when players leave a program it has far more to do with the player than the coach. Especially in college basketball now, where players transferring is a dime a dozen. From the outside would have a much easier time buying TheAnswerMan's theory than the one claiming the coach would just rather his son play at all cost than actually try to win games.

And side note, my goodness how a fan base can melt down after a couple losses. Little over a week ago people were fired up and encouraged with where UE was at. Now two bad losses (to good teams) and a rather average contributor leaving and people want Marty's head and think the coach's son is horrible. Give it some time, it's a young team.

Why would it be easier to believe excuseman's theory instead of Marty's son playing at all cost? Anyone who has see Ryan and Blake play know Ryan i s a much better player. I would also like to know how many bigs that have stayed at UE under Marty have had any impact. There have been at least three bigs that were on the MVC freshman team and none have improved under Marty. Their playing time is less every year.

[TheAnswerMan]

Simmons is losing an experienced player and listing all the positives about that in the press. It makes it sound like he's happy Sawvell is leaving. I'm sure there have been many (if not all) coaches who have been thrilled when a player leaves, but they don't go to the press with that info. I'd prefer Marty showed a little more respect for a player he recruited and coached. Maybe if Sawvell didn't progress in college, just maybe that's not totally on the player.

At the same time, many people complain about being non-descript when coaches don't say anything about it. Perhaps Marty was just being honest (or trying to be as honest as can be) or perhaps he was clueing in that he is happy the kid left, without actually saying it.

Most times when players leave a program it has far more to do with the player than the coach. Especially in college basketball now, where players transferring is a dime a dozen. From the outside would have a much easier time buying TheAnswerMan's theory than the one claiming the coach would just rather his son play at all cost than actually try to win games.

And side note, my goodness how a fan base can melt down after a couple losses. Little over a week ago people were fired up and encouraged with where UE was at. Now two bad losses (to good teams) and a rather average contributor leaving and people want Marty's head and think the coach's son is horrible. Give it some time, it's a young team.

Why would it be easier to believe excuseman's theory instead of Marty's son playing at all cost? Anyone who has see Ryan and Blake play know Ryan i s a much better player. I would also like to know how many bigs that have stayed at UE under Marty have had any impact. There have been at least three bigs that were on the MVC freshman team and none have improved under Marty. Their playing time is less every year.

Yeah, Marty has reduced Mock's playing time by ordering him to commit a foul every three minutes. That is what you meant, isn't it?

[acesfool]

[Yeah, Marty has reduced Mock's playing time by ordering him to commit a foul every three minutes. That is what you meant, isn't it?[/quote]
Talk about a child like response after all your so called truths were refuted. Maybe if Marty found some gaurds that could keep their man from blowing by them Mock wouldn't pick up so many fouls helping out. It also might help if the gaurds would drop down and help him out once in a while. It's called help side defense and it requires everyone to help not just the bigs.