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Re: New and not so too-early predictions

Postby BCPanther » December 23rd, 2019, 1:36 pm

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BCPanther wrote:Here goes nothing--

1--UNI (17-1)-Clearly the class of the league, we always wondered what would happen if a Ben Jacobson team ever learned to play offense and here we are. Homer for sure, but UNI is a legit Top 25 team. AJ Green is going to be 3 time Player of the Year.

2--Drake (12-6)-Only team, other than UNI, to beat the teams they were supposed to beat. Didn't look great against Cincy or Dayton but didn't lay a total egg anywhere.

3--Indiana State (11-7)-Played a really good Dayton team tough and have been good since they figured it out around Thanksgiving.

4--Loyola (10-8)-Inconsistent and seem to be playing slow for playing slow's sake, defensive intensity is way down.

5--Bradley (10-8)--The Childs injury is a killer and certainly doesn't help to address offensive inconsistency. Need Darrell Brown to find the Darrell Brown that existed in February of last year.

6--Missouri State (8-10)--They haven't beaten anybody good and have some truly head scratching losses. Dana also has to prove he can get it done on the bench, he hasn't shown that yet.

7--Valpo (8-10)--One man shows don't tend to work very well in this league but I'll give them credit; they're much better than I thought they'd be.

8--Evansville (6-12)--The Kentucky game says a lot more about Kentucky than it does UE. Williams is phenomenal but, like Valpo, one man shows struggle here.

9--Illinois State (5-13)--I don't hate the pieces but something is off. When they've been beaten they haven't been competitive and that's worrisome in Nov/Dec.

10--Southern Illinois (3-15)--They hired the right guy. He's got a team with no talent playing hard. They'll be back to the top half within 3 years.


You're pretty much in line with where I'm at right now except I see Loyola a little higher and MSU a bit lower. The honeymoon period with Ford is pretty much over and there is quite a bit of concern in Springfield. While there's been a bit of bad luck with Ridder's injury, Bonner not sticking, and Prim basically only able to play games w/o much availability to practice, questions about Ford's poor offensive and defensive systems and roster construction are hot topics. While there is talent it appears to be a bad mix with too many one dimensional guys who aren't all that interested in filling necessary roles. He's been slow to integrate Mosley , probably the most talented player, and has allowed several players to continue to play key roles despite repeated poor play.

For my part, I said all along we weren't ready to challenge for the title yet this year, so while I share many of the concerns others have, I'm patient and hope Ford figures it out as the year goes along and still think we
can be in position going into next year to be on schedule. Mosley and Prim can both be elite Valley players , but Dana has to find a better on court mix to surround them with moving forward. Mosley has gone for double figures in two straight games off the bench and is simply one of the most efficient scorers I've seen come along for the Bears . He's a 60% 50% 80% type shooter and can score at every spot on the court w/o having to be a high volume shot taker. Like most freshmen he can have defensive issues at times, but hardly is a major liability there as a 6'6 sg/sf .

But right now I can't see the Bears any better than .500 this year, and then it will be a very important off season for Ford and the program. We'll have talent no matter what, but Ford's grab bag approach hasn't yielded a very cohesive unit and his overall X/O acumen is up for debate.


Total outsider of course, but you can tell watching Missouri State that they don't particularly like each other. They're slow to pick guys up off the floor, there isn't a ton of fire after a big play and there's just something 'off' about how they interact during games.
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Re: New and not so too-early predictions

Postby isumvc1 » December 23rd, 2019, 8:58 pm

BCPanther wrote:Here goes nothing--

1--UNI (17-1)-Clearly the class of the league, we always wondered what would happen if a Ben Jacobson team ever learned to play offense and here we are. Homer for sure, but UNI is a legit Top 25 team. AJ Green is going to be 3 time Player of the Year.

2--Drake (12-6)-Only team, other than UNI, to beat the teams they were supposed to beat. Didn't look great against Cincy or Dayton but didn't lay a total egg anywhere.

3--Indiana State (11-7)-Played a really good Dayton team tough and have been good since they figured it out around Thanksgiving.

4--Loyola (10-8)-Inconsistent and seem to be playing slow for playing slow's sake, defensive intensity is way down.

5--Bradley (10-8)--The Childs injury is a killer and certainly doesn't help to address offensive inconsistency. Need Darrell Brown to find the Darrell Brown that existed in February of last year.

6--Missouri State (8-10)--They haven't beaten anybody good and have some truly head scratching losses. Dana also has to prove he can get it done on the bench, he hasn't shown that yet.

7--Valpo (8-10)--One man shows don't tend to work very well in this league but I'll give them credit; they're much better than I thought they'd be.

8--Evansville (6-12)--The Kentucky game says a lot more about Kentucky than it does UE. Williams is phenomenal but, like Valpo, one man shows struggle here.

9--Illinois State (5-13)--I don't hate the pieces but something is off. When they've been beaten they haven't been competitive and that's worrisome in Nov/Dec.

10--Southern Illinois (3-15)--They hired the right guy. He's got a team with no talent playing hard. They'll be back to the top half within 3 years.


Sycamores probably a bit too high here, remember Lansing is still our coach, and for 5 straight seasons we've had high expectations heading into MVC play, only to tank and wind up playing and losing big on Thursday in St Louis, will be tough to change that this year, so not quite sold on the Sycamores yet.
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Postby Old School MVC » December 24th, 2019, 2:37 pm

1.) UNI (17-1) - Heads and shoulders the best team

2.) Bradley (12-6) - Will struggle early with Childs gone, but I can see them going on a roll when he returns.

3.) Drake (11-7) - Second best coached team in the league.

4.) Loyola (11-7) - Could finish as high as 2nd, but need more consistency. They have a lot of improvement in front of them.

5.) Valpo (8-10) - My biggest surprise this year. Pre season I had them 9th.

6.) ISUb (7-11) - They are on par for their normal season, look good out of conference, and then steadily decline. Difference this year is that they will not play on Thursday.

7.) MSU (7-11) - They may become the third straight team to be Pre Season favorite to play on Thursday.

8.) ISUr (6-12) - You never know which team will show up. Had a good start, but struggled lately.

9.) Evansville (6-12) - Will the real Aces please stand up?

10.) SIU (5-13) - They will surprise some teams this year.
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Re: New and not so too-early predictions

Postby jackwagon » December 24th, 2019, 2:49 pm

If you don't allow me the select the Panthers as champions I would go with the Sycamores to win the league. The leagues best and deepest backcourt outside of UNI and young emerging post players. That is something they have not had in years.
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Re: New and not so too-early predictions

Postby achrist70 » December 26th, 2019, 10:11 pm

1. UNI (17-1) I could see more loses, because I don't think they are like the 18-0 Wichita State team that was just so much better then everyone else that an off night didn't result in a loss. But, if they play the way they are capable no one will beat them.
2. Bradley (11-7) Not having Childs to me adds 2 more losses, I think consistency will be the key, last year they were either the best team in the league or worst.
3. Drake (11-7) Very well coached, just wonder if their roster is ready for the grind of the conference season.
4. Loyola (10-8) The key to me is the health of Williamson, with him playing at a high level they are capable of 12-6 without him for a long stretch they could fall to 8-10
5. Indiana State (10-8) I really like what I have seen from them and if UNI only loses one I would say it will happen in Terre Haute. But until Indiana State can prove they can play an entire conference season this is where I put them.
6. Missouri State (9-9) So much talent, but it isn't gelling, some nights they will look like a top 25 team, some nights like a SWAC team.
7. Evansville (7-11) This is the Jekyll and Hyde team of the conference, they will get blown out in some games, win a few games handily, in the end this is where I see them
8. Valpo (7-11) They have played a lot better then I though they would coming in, but I think this is who they are.
9. Illinois State (5-13) I just don't see any way that the Redbirds don't play on Thursday night, the Talent is just not there this year
10. SIU (3-15) Same thing the talent isn't there, but I think SIU will be a top 4 Valley team in 2 years.
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Re: New and not so too-early predictions

Postby SalukiWorld » December 26th, 2019, 11:42 pm

1. Northern Iowa 14-4---The clear best team in the conference going in, don't see them completely running away with things but hard to pick against them
2. Drake 11-7---DeVries is clearly one of the best coaches in the conference
3. Loyola-Chicago 10-8--They've probably got the most overall talent in the conference including the best player in the Valley in Krutwig, no idea what to expect though given their history of underachieving.
4. Indiana State 10-8---Had Lansing on the hot seat coming into this year but credit to them, they're playing really good basketball.
5. Missouri State 9-9---Banking on the preseason favorites to turn it on as soon as Valley play starts
6. Bradley 9-9---Need this team to figure it out early in the conference season unlike last season and gonna be tough with Childs hurt
7. Valpo 8-10---Javon Freeman-Liberty is impressive as hell and is gonna win games by himself
8. Evansville 7-11---Think their non-conference schedule is gonna go similar to their conference schedule. They'll win games they should lose and lose games they should win. Like this team going forward though.
9. Illinois State 6-12---Keeping this team out of the cellar mainly because they play extremely well at Redbird Arena and can probably steal a win or two.
10. Southern Illinois 5-13---Love this team going forward past this season but don't think they have the firepower to get out of the cellar this year. The good news is, Aaron Cook should be back right at the start.
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Re: New and not so too-early predictions

Postby Mikovio » December 27th, 2019, 7:30 am

Good news on the injury front.

https://www.pjstar.com/sports/20191226/ ... jah-childs

“We’re hoping for (around three weeks) right now,” Wardle said. “Everything is heading in the right direction. The X-rays have been good.”

For Childs to come back to action for the Missouri Valley Conference opener against Drake on New Year’s Eve is probably too optimistic. But it might not be outside the realm of possibility to expect a return for the second league game Jan. 4 at Northern Iowa.
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Re: New and not so too-early predictions

Postby BigMacAttack » December 27th, 2019, 8:12 am

SalukiWorld wrote:1. Northern Iowa 12-4---The clear best team in the conference going in, don't see them completely running away with things but hard to pick against them
2. Drake 11-7---DeVries is clearly one of the best coaches in the conference
3. Loyola-Chicago 10-8--They've probably got the most overall talent in the conference including the best player in the Valley in Krutwig, no idea what to expect though given their history of underachieving.
4. Indiana State 10-8---Had Lansing on the hot seat coming into this year but credit to them, they're playing really good basketball.
5. Missouri State 9-9---Banking on the preseason favorites to turn it on as soon as Valley play starts
6. Bradley 9-9---Need this team to figure it out early in the conference season unlike last season and gonna be tough with Childs hurt
7. Valpo 8-10---Javon Freeman-Liberty is impressive as hell and is gonna win games by himself
8. Evansville 7-11---Think their non-conference schedule is gonna go similar to their conference schedule. They'll win games they should lose and lose games they should win. Like this team going forward though.
9. Illinois State 6-12---Keeping this team out of the cellar mainly because they play extremely well at Redbird Arena and can probably steal a win or two.
10. Southern Illinois 5-13---Love this team going forward past this season but don't think they have the firepower to get out of the cellar this year. The good news is, Aaron Cook should be back right at the start.
Finally, a unique view that UNI will have more than a single loss. But what about the other two games? Two wins, two losses, or one and one. LOL
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Re: New and not so too-early predictions

Postby sivert » December 27th, 2019, 10:05 am

16-2. Northern Iowa #23---The best team OOC. Oddly, higher in OE (26th) than DE(86th). Possible improvement in team defense and AJ’s shooting from 3 make this team very dangerous.
13-5. Loyola-Chicago 147--Krutwig will score. Guards will run. And they’re playing great defense.
11-7(or7). Drake 153---DeVries did an incredible job with a depleted and injury ridden team last year. BUT as I have said, Nick and Brady were HIGHLY efficient players. Did DeVries make them look good or did they make him look good?
9-9. Indiana State 93---Had a good OOC. Still...
9-9(or2ndor8th). Missouri State 146---loads of talent, but haven’t pulled together as a team. Will they gel?
8-10. Bradley 130---Childs out hurts. Would have been 2nd - 4th.
8-10. Valpo 139---Javon Freeman-Liberty had a great OOC.
7-11(or 4th). Evansville --214 weird OOC.
5-13. Illinois State 206---see #10
4-14. Southern Illinois 262---Call out to Baker and Vance. Really enjoying your podcast!

Edit: realized I need to put win-loss in.
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Re: New and not so too-early predictions

Postby SalukiWorld » December 27th, 2019, 1:23 pm

BigMacAttack wrote:
SalukiWorld wrote:1. Northern Iowa 12-4---The clear best team in the conference going in, don't see them completely running away with things but hard to pick against them
2. Drake 11-7---DeVries is clearly one of the best coaches in the conference
3. Loyola-Chicago 10-8--They've probably got the most overall talent in the conference including the best player in the Valley in Krutwig, no idea what to expect though given their history of underachieving.
4. Indiana State 10-8---Had Lansing on the hot seat coming into this year but credit to them, they're playing really good basketball.
5. Missouri State 9-9---Banking on the preseason favorites to turn it on as soon as Valley play starts
6. Bradley 9-9---Need this team to figure it out early in the conference season unlike last season and gonna be tough with Childs hurt
7. Valpo 8-10---Javon Freeman-Liberty is impressive as hell and is gonna win games by himself
8. Evansville 7-11---Think their non-conference schedule is gonna go similar to their conference schedule. They'll win games they should lose and lose games they should win. Like this team going forward though.
9. Illinois State 6-12---Keeping this team out of the cellar mainly because they play extremely well at Redbird Arena and can probably steal a win or two.
10. Southern Illinois 5-13---Love this team going forward past this season but don't think they have the firepower to get out of the cellar this year. The good news is, Aaron Cook should be back right at the start.
Finally, a unique view that UNI will have more than a single loss. But what about the other two games? Two wins, two losses, or one and one. LOL

lol I think I switched it and didn't change the loss record. I think the conference is good top to bottom that UNI isn't gonna run through like Wichita State used to.
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