The road to 2 NCAA bids

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Re: The road to 2 NCAA bids

Postby uniguy » February 21st, 2020, 5:04 pm

stable genius wrote:Way I see it, UNI put all their chips into the table to chase the at large bid. Which was absolutely the right call. Leaving starters in late in games to bolster their NET. But the probability odds were never really on their side (except briefly, before the Loyola OT loss), and what they’re left with is a team that #341 in bench minutes played that appears to be reeling down the stretch. Winning 3 times in 3 days will be a tough task for this group.

This is a sad story for fans of mid major basketball fans and a reminder of how tough it is out there. The power 5 teams have the luxury of removing all of these tricky @Indy State type games but we don't. They may seem insignificant on their own but when you have to play 15 of them your chances of losing a couple add up and the committee will hammer you for it, even though it's likely to happen.

I don’t think at large is necessarily gone, but it very well may be, and it’s at least improbable to a point where I’m not going to spend any more time worrying about it.


You're right. I had a peaceful argument with an Iowa friend of mine about this very topic. I said Iowa doesn't have to play games like @ Indy State, @ SIU, @ Loyola....they can handpick their schedule to avoid games like that. He responded with "Yeah....we are playing tough games like at Maryland and Michigan State while you're playing mediocre teams". The obvious answer was "Yeah, and it doesn't matter if you lose those games.....".

The other part is that as a mid-major that was perceived as the top team in the league....you get everyone's best shot. You have the target on your back. The 11th place team in the Big Ten doesn't have to deal with that.

Its fine....I still love mid-major basketball and whoever reps the Valley in the dance will be my favorite team in the tourney. Unless South Dakota, my other alma mater, also makes it :) I was even rooting hard for BU last year despite the fact that the wound was still fresh.
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Re: The road to 2 NCAA bids

Postby VUGrad1314 » February 23rd, 2020, 7:52 pm

I get it but the level of disrespect being shown to UNI here is ridiculous. The best thing we all can hope for is some movement among the quadrants. We need to hope that

1. the Drake ODU and maybe even Marshall if they can go on a run Q4 home games become Q3

2. The SIU road game becomes a Q2 loss instead of Q3 and

3. The South Carolina Q2 win becomes Q1.

If we can get that kind of positive movement UNI's resume looks a heck of a lot stronger.

2 Q1 wins

Only 1 Q3 and lower loss

Here's the link I'm referring to

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... bble-years

And a lot fewer Q4 games. It would be nice if GCU could get hot and move into the Q3 level as well.
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Re: The road to 2 NCAA bids

Postby stable genius » February 28th, 2020, 8:27 am

UNI drops a few spots every time lunardi comes out with a new bracket. Today he's got them down to a 12, probably one of the last 4 in.

Factoring in that other teams will continue to improve their resumes and UNI doesn't have the opportunity to do that, and factoring in that some bid stealing, it looks increasingly likely to me that UNI is going to need to win 3 games in STL.
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Re: The road to 2 NCAA bids

Postby BCPanther » February 28th, 2020, 9:41 am

I'm starting to think that we don't get in without winning in StL. Its one of those committee bullshit jobs where if we win the tournament we get a 10 seed but if we don't, we don't get in at all. Kind of similar to our 2016 team where we only got credit for the North Carolina and Iowa State wins after we were the auto bid.

Honestly, IF we got an at large, I want to go to Dayton. Our offense is damn tough to get ready for in a day and a half and any P6 school is going to look at us in a layup line and think that its over. Win there and get that second batch of cash.
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Re: The road to 2 NCAA bids

Postby VUGrad1314 » February 28th, 2020, 9:48 pm

Why is this conference so soundly disrespected at every turn and what do we need to do to change that perception?
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Re: The road to 2 NCAA bids

Postby sivert » February 28th, 2020, 10:12 pm

VUGrad1314 wrote:Why is this conference so soundly disrespected at every turn and what do we need to do to change that perception?

Part of it is that we have a lot of youth on a lot of teams. And we didn’t have a great showing out of conference.

Next year we go for multiple bids!
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Re: The road to 2 NCAA bids

Postby All-MVC Fan » February 29th, 2020, 7:07 am

VUGrad1314 wrote:Why is this conference so soundly disrespected at every turn and what do we need to do to change that perception?


It has less to do with this conference being disrespected, and more to do with the P5+ shutting everyone else out. Ever since the idiot AD’s voted for P5 autonomy, everything the NCAA has done has been about the P5 making more money, without having to share. If your school’s AD voted for autonomy, your school is to blame for this mess.

It won’t be long before they start shutting down auto bids. Give it another ten years or so. It’s coming.
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Re: The road to 2 NCAA bids

Postby mvfcfan » February 29th, 2020, 12:17 pm

I know most on here will disagree but I am almost to the point where I wouldn't mind seeing the mid majors play in their own 64 team tournament. It is getting old playing a 30 game season that means nothing except for getting yourself a top 6 spot to compete for an auto bid. We would definitely be a 3 bid league in an all mid major tournament. We're to the point where we can't even get an at-large bid in the NIT.
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Re: The road to 2 NCAA bids

Postby VUGrad1314 » February 29th, 2020, 2:18 pm

Why the hell would anybody vote to give a few conferences all the power? That's so stupid and against every possible interest. I keep going back and forth on the idea of shutting down auto bids? It would be good for the MVC but our history as a program individually (Valpo) was built on the auto bid. We aren't where we are today without the auto bid. It's so hard for me to advocate for shutting out the schools that are where we once were but it's getting to the point where the very survival of conferences like ours is being threatened at the NCAA level when it comes to at large postseason bids of any kind. Which makes for a very sad and difficult choice.
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Re: The road to 2 NCAA bids

Postby VUGrad1314 » February 29th, 2020, 3:21 pm

Good news: Indiana State now will probably be a Q2 Neutral Floor game

Bad news: They're on Loyola's side of the bracket meaning UNI will not get to play both AND Valpo's loss will probably drop that road win back to Q3 further hurting the Panthers' resume. Whatever hopes may remain just got slimmer I think. I think UNI just needs to focus on winning in St Louis.
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