The Victory Bell/Arch Madness coverage

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Re: The Victory Bell/Arch Madness coverage

Postby just ducky » March 11th, 2025, 1:22 pm

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ReZyNeZy wrote:All I'll say is this. You all seem to project this "Holier than thou" attitude acting like you are "immune" to the effects of the portal and NIL, but unless you are a public school, or a private school in p5 places, you are going to see your guys leave at rates similar to last year. You act like NIL and transfers is a specific to Valpo problem when it is not.

No one here from Valpo is saying this is going to be an elite showstopper team next year. No one from Valpo thinks this team changed the MVC by winning 3 games. No one from Valpo thinks they are going to magically get multimillion dollar NIL investments. All any Valpo fan on this thread has said was that, if this team keeps their core and makes some adds, they would be a tough team to beat come next season. Yet, this narrative has been spun that Valpo fans are thinking they will be a top of the Valley team next season, which no one here has claimed.

All those 3 games proved was that Powell can in fact coach/recruit valley level talent. Keeping that talent is another test in it of itself.


Then what happened in the 20 games before that?

Excellent question.

Just double checked and for the 3 games in St Louis Valpo started 2 freshmen, 1 sophomore, 1 junior and a senior guard who never shoots and didn't fully recover from preseason injury until early to mid February.
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Re: The Victory Bell/Arch Madness coverage

Postby TylerDurden » March 11th, 2025, 1:31 pm

ReZyNeZy wrote:All I'll say is this. You all seem to project this "Holier than thou" attitude acting like you are "immune" to the effects of the portal and NIL, but unless you are a public school, or a private school in p5 places, you are going to see your guys leave at rates similar to last year. You act like NIL and transfers is a specific to Valpo problem when it is not.


No one said that. In fact, the opposite has been said in this thread. We all know what the portal can do - it happened last year to everyone with quality players.

The problem is you want to project Valpo's desperate situation on to other schools in this league. They aren't the same. Valpo's enrollment is down between 40-50% over the past decade or so - well beyond any national trend in declining college enrollment. There's a reason they don't have NIL resources and other schools in the league do. No one is claiming their favorite school can outspend a P5, but they do have enough to get guys like Duke Deen and Tytan Anderson to stick around.

So yeah, in a lot of ways the "Holier than thou" attitude has merit even as you present red herrings.

ReZyNeZy wrote:No one here from Valpo is saying this is going to be an elite showstopper team next year. No one from Valpo thinks this team changed the MVC by winning 3 games. No one from Valpo thinks they are going to magically get multimillion dollar NIL investments. All any Valpo fan on this thread has said was that, if this team keeps their core and makes some adds, they would be a tough team to beat come next season. Yet, this narrative has been spun that Valpo fans are thinking they will be a top of the Valley team next season, which no one here has claimed.

All those 3 games proved was that Powell can in fact coach/recruit valley level talent. Keeping that talent is another test in it of itself.


Congratulations on the prospect of potentially being competitive on the court.
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Re: The Victory Bell/Arch Madness coverage

Postby TheVictoryBell » March 11th, 2025, 5:50 pm

Hey all!

First off, I LOVE the passion of every one of you. This league is outstanding for so many reasons and the fan support is at the top of the list.

If you’ve ever met me, you’ll know that snark is my love language. I don’t take myself too seriously, especially on Twitter. I’m not going to say I’ve got the snark down to the level Wyatt Wheeler has, but we’re cut from the same cloth. So, yeah, I’ll take a shot here and there, and it’s mostly a reminder that at the end of the day, we’re talking about college basketball. We’re all blessed to be able to care and get riled up about a game. It’s not that serious.

So, yes, I took a shot at Bradley fans. It was 19-9 in fouls and I’ve got Bradley fans in my mentions explaining to me how they’re getting screwed. It felt over the top, so I went over the top right back.

Yes, the podcast was me blowing off a little steam. I was frustrated by some things with the Valley and they’ve been addressed. There has been a Homer Drew banner in the past, it wasn’t up this year for whatever reason. There were a couple Valpo highlights early in package ahead of semifinals, but not many. It was heavily weighted toward the top four seeds and it was produced/finalized once seeds were locked in. Hall of Fame is a bit more complicated as conference office actually has little to do with it and it comes down to individual schools. The Valley is pure class and that is an undisputed fact. Valpo has also often felt like the unwanted stepchild and that is an undisputed fact. As I stated on the pod, Valpo is on the hook for a lot of that. A lot.

Wrapping this up, this is a great league with great fans and a great history. I know that the Valley history didn’t start when Valpo joined the league, but don’t get it twisted, Valpo’s history didn’t start when it joined the Valley either. This was a dominant college basketball program for a long time. It’s been alarming to see the drop off. Just as the Valley was once routinely a multi-bid league, Valpo was once routinely a force in March. I’d love to see both things continue. It sure makes for better stories to tell.

For those that subscribe, thanks for the support. I wish we still had the beat reporters this league had when Valpo joined. Reynolds. Golden. Hefferman. Benson. Wheeler. All gone. The fans deserve better from the media companies that cover this league.
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Re: The Victory Bell/Arch Madness coverage

Postby BUFanatic » March 12th, 2025, 1:31 am

First off I have to hand it to you for covering Valpo the way you do. I greatly miss Kirk and Doug with the PJS (it was almost more exciting for me to see the write up than the game itself). Wish local reporting were better and we (BU) had someone better than an old hockey guy who pretends to care about BU now that he finally got the assignment.

That being said... I lived through years of BU and Drake playing on Thursday. Didn't see intro videos but the teams that have been in the conference longer have more history at Arch Madness (typically where the highlight reel comes from). I remember years where BU was only featured because of the ridiculous Shot heard round the world highlight. Comes with the territory.

As to your history point... the Valley has been around a LONG time. It's seen members come and go and was essentially the precursor to the Big 8 (Drake is the last original member). Teams have gone up and down in the past 100+ years since it's founding. The Drake (The Dean) won several league titles in the 30s before doing anything until the late 60s which saw a string of postseason success until the early 70s. Did nothing again until one season and only recently started finding regular success.

Valpo, on the other hand, has been playing since 1917. They did not win a league championship at any level until 72/73 and were totally irrelevant until catching fire with Homer Drew in 1994. Scott left for Baylor and has now won a National Championship. Bryce carried it on for a while until getting a P5 offer.

The Drews were great but it was a family that could promote the success of the father or the brothers and The Shot. Once the Drews left and they moved to the MVC, everything fell apart. When the Valley added Loyola, I knew they would get there and they did. When UIC joined the Valley, I knew they would get there and they're well on their way. Valpo is the only team that joined where in my lifetime I felt like they would never belong, partly owing to the fact that I spent a year on campus as a Freshman.

When we say the Valley runs deep, we mean it. We mean the whole history of our conference which wasn't made in the last 30 years but consists of ups and downs over a 100+ year period of time. Valpo hasn't been offensive like Loyola/Wichita were, but I am not sure Valpo will ever be a cultural fit due to their lack of success long term.
Sorry for this extended post but in my time on this Earth I've seen WSU, Creighton, MoSt, and Loyola leave this conference and the conference replace these teams with Loyola, Belmont, Murray, and UIC. I know people who still aren't used to Evansville being a Valley member but they're very similar to Bradley with their past lower division success and community support so I have a soft spot for them. Tulsa left before I was born and I still hate those mfs (though I've never seen them play each other there's an official who went to Tulsa who gets assigned to BU games who's clearly biased against BU in those games as he went to Tulsa when they were in the conference). That's the kind of history that makes the Valley run deep. Valpo is the only team that will never fit, no matter how much they try. They could be great in another conference but it's just not ours.

Belmont, Murray, and UIC get a pass because they're really new but ask yourself the question if you'll root for Drake, BU, ISU, and whatever other team makes a postseason tournament and why. If you don't have a reason you don't belong. (I'll begrudgingly root for The Drake, obviously BU, and ISU only because we've owend them recently lol).

Best to you and Valpo but I'm sick of having to play in a high school gym at a borderline institution with a failed law school that has absolutely no interest in rising to the level of an MVC program.
Keep up the fight.
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Re: The Victory Bell/Arch Madness coverage

Postby tribecalledquest » March 12th, 2025, 7:00 am

Using foul count in a game as a measure of how good or fair officiating is - while popular - doesn’t work. Usually the worst teams foul more. Tired teams foul more. And sometimes some teams just foul more.

That said - Bradley fans do bitch about officiating too much as well. It’s low hanging fruit. There is no MVC conspiracy out to screw Valpo and Roger Powell. That’s complete nonsense. Hell, one could argue the refs gave Roger grace in the semifinal game. He lost his mind and very much earned a T for his behavior late in the game but they didn’t give him one. Wouldn’t a group of refs out to get him and the school ring him up there and really put the game out of reach?
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Re: The Victory Bell/Arch Madness coverage

Postby FunchessonPopcorn » March 12th, 2025, 10:03 am

tribecalledquest wrote:Using foul count in a game as a measure of how good or fair officiating is - while popular - doesn’t work. Usually the worst teams foul more. Tired teams foul more. And sometimes some teams just foul more.

That said - Bradley fans do bitch about officiating too much as well. It’s low hanging fruit. There is no MVC conspiracy out to screw Valpo and Roger Powell. That’s complete nonsense. Hell, one could argue the refs gave Roger grace in the semifinal game. He lost his mind and very much earned a T for his behavior late in the game but they didn’t give him one. Wouldn’t a group of refs out to get him and the school ring him up there and really put the game out of reach?


I give the refs credit for that. Casey Alexander deserved the same.
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Re: The Victory Bell/Arch Madness coverage

Postby FunchessonPopcorn » March 12th, 2025, 10:10 am

I completely understand why the verbal and written “pats on the head” from other MVC fans tick off Valpo fans. It seems pretty much everyone agrees that the investment in the product hasn’t been where it needs to be, and how everyone handles and reacts to that reality is where where the tension is at, and that comes from where our deeper loyalties are at.

Nothing is forever, so it could still change. Missouri State used to bring as many people as anyone to St Louis, and they had energy and momentum it seemed for many years, but it withered away to the point they brought fewer people than Valpo (by my estimation) at the end. As a Bradley fan, 20 years or so ago, I looked at the aging demographics of who was showing up and worried as time goes on that would be our fate, but so far that fate has not materialized, and it had been more so the opposite.

It seems there is common ground on the types of things Valpo could and should do to improve their program and status. Hopefully some of that starts to materialize.
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Re: The Victory Bell/Arch Madness coverage

Postby Milanmiracle » March 12th, 2025, 2:46 pm

BUFanatic wrote:…Valpo, on the other hand, has been playing since 1917. They did not win a league championship at any level until 72/73 and were totally irrelevant until catching fire with Homer Drew in 1994. Scott left for Baylor and has now won a National Championship. Bryce carried it on for a while until getting a P5 offer.

…The Drews were great but it was a family that could promote the success of the father or the brothers and The Shot. Once the Drews left and they moved to the MVC, everything fell apart. When the Valley added Loyola, I knew they would get there and they did. When UIC joined the Valley, I knew they would get there and they're well on their way. Valpo is the only team that joined where in my lifetime I felt like they would never belong, partly owing to the fact that I spent a year on campus as a Freshman.

Best to you and Valpo but I'm sick of having to play in a high school gym at a borderline institution with a failed law school that has absolutely no interest in rising to the level of an MVC program.
Keep up the fight.


All fair points and accurate. To expand upon that, Valpo, without someone named Drew coaching the team has a total of 2 winning seasons out of 11 in D1 and a winning percent of 42%. They’ve won a grand total of two NCAA tournament games that required an Indiana Mr. Basketball and a Hall of Fame coach. Neither one of those people are walking through the door anytime soon.

On a more positive note, Valpo made The Dance 9 times, was the regular season conference championship 14 times and the conference tourney 10 times. While the university itself is in a bad position financially, there is a sliver of hope it can get better. As someone who’s followed Valpo since before Bryce put on a VU jersey, I hope they find a way to survive first and then get back on track athletically. They may need the later to help the former.
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Re: The Victory Bell/Arch Madness coverage

Postby BCPanther » March 13th, 2025, 12:07 pm

This podcast is aging like three week old milk...
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Re: The Victory Bell/Arch Madness coverage

Postby tribecalledquest » March 13th, 2025, 12:30 pm

BCPanther wrote:This podcast is aging like three week old milk...


The Valley office forced Schweiger out of Valpo.
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