MVC Games Week 14 2024-25

[AcesAces]

Does the portal only work one way? We also benefit from it.

Bennett Stirtz
Dez White
Mitch Mascari
Johnathan Pierre
Ali Dibba
Isaiah Walker
Samage Teel
Jacob Hutson
Tyem Freeman
Daniel Abreu
Carter Whitt

All transfers that are currently in Torvik's Top 20 players in the league that transferred in and the average of those top 20 is BETTER than it was last year.

We may not like the revolving door but to say the league is worse when objective data says otherwise just doesn't work. The league is in a strong place.

You will never take the chip on the shoulder, poor MVC out of many fans no matter how much logic you use.

Jesus - Bradley KEPT most of their dudes and fans are pissed as hell at those dudes for sucking.

It isn't about having a chip on the shoulder it is about reality. Do you not see it? Do you not see the minor league system in baseball and how it works? That's where we are in college basketball right now. We are the mid-minor leagues. We pull from the lower conferences and the big schools pull the best, most physically mature and experienced from us.

Don't blame me for seeing it. Blame the NCAA for creating it.

[BCPanther]

Bradley looks about as disinterested as a team can look. Awful body language.

It's hard to see a strong finish coming.

When you bring dudes back as 5th year or seniors and hand them the keys - you are kind of at their mercy at this stage. Not to take the head off the coaching staff but that's where Bradley is at.

Duke Deen, Zek Montgomery and Darius Hannah have been god awful during this three game losing streak. What are you gonna do? Bench them? They don't guard anyone and don't battle through anything. Duke has been pretty sick - but still.

Again, Wardle and staff could be better but the BU NIL group paid these guys to be lead dogs - not playing out the string. Tough spot to be in.

That's exactly why some roster turnover ended up being a good thing at UNI. Heise and Born were what they were and it wasn't going to change. This team, before injuries at least, was more inconsistent but the ceiling when they play well is so much higher.

[FunchessonPopcorn]

Water still find its level. The system changes, but the pecking order doesn’t. I do think it’s probably a little tougher to have the outliers in the new setup. A non power popping and sticking in the top 25, or a power school staying 150+ for any extended time, probably gonna happen less under this setup.

[tribecalledquest]

Does the portal only work one way? We also benefit from it.

Bennett Stirtz
Dez White
Mitch Mascari
Johnathan Pierre
Ali Dibba
Isaiah Walker
Samage Teel
Jacob Hutson
Tyem Freeman
Daniel Abreu
Carter Whitt

All transfers that are currently in Torvik's Top 20 players in the league that transferred in and the average of those top 20 is BETTER than it was last year.

We may not like the revolving door but to say the league is worse when objective data says otherwise just doesn't work. The league is in a strong place.

You will never take the chip on the shoulder, poor MVC out of many fans no matter how much logic you use.

Jesus - Bradley KEPT most of their dudes and fans are pissed as hell at those dudes for sucking.

It isn't about having a chip on the shoulder it is about reality. Do you not see it? Do you not see the minor league system in baseball and how it works? That's where we are in college basketball right now. We are the mid-minor leagues. We pull from the lower conferences and the big schools pull the best, most physically mature and experienced from us.

Don't blame me for seeing it. Blame the NCAA for creating it.

When was there a time when the MVC was equal with the P5 leagues? The pecking order is literally no different than it has been for 50+ years. Rules change. Formats change. Money changes. The power structure does not.

[AcesAces]

I didn't say it was equal. There is more pecking today than at any point in the past. The entire all conference teams of last year were pecked. When has that happened before?

Heck, Indiana State lost its coach and a couple of its stars to St. Louis! That's a big smack in the face of the MVC.

And next year, the P6 schools can pay 15 players per team.

But yes, the MVC is weaker this year because of the pecking. When we peck, most of it is from lower divisions and lower conferences not from the P6, and what does come down from the P6 is nothing like a Mary Simmons or a Scott Haffner as it was before.

[MissouriValleyUnite]

I didn't say it was equal. There is more pecking today than at any point in the past. The entire all conference teams of last year were pecked. When has that happened before?

Heck, Indiana State lost its coach and a couple of its stars to St. Louis! That's a big smack in the face of the MVC.

And next year, the P6 schools can pay 15 players per team.

But yes, the MVC is weaker this year because of the pecking. When we peck, most of it is from lower divisions and lower conferences not from the P6, and what does come down from the P6 is nothing like a Mary Simmons or a Scott Haffner as it was before.

But we ended up in the same exact spot (10th) as last season. It’s just people’s perceptions that changed - the numbers and results themselves didn’t.

[BCPanther]

I didn't say it was equal. There is more pecking today than at any point in the past. The entire all conference teams of last year were pecked. When has that happened before?

Heck, Indiana State lost its coach and a couple of its stars to St. Louis! That's a big smack in the face of the MVC.

And next year, the P6 schools can pay 15 players per team.

But yes, the MVC is weaker this year because of the pecking. When we peck, most of it is from lower divisions and lower conferences not from the P6, and what does come down from the P6 is nothing like a Mary Simmons or a Scott Haffner as it was before.

Maybe Indiana State should have found the money like other Valley schools have or should have vetted the hire a little better. Indiana State had the choice to try and make the money work and they couldn't get it done.

You're living in a world that died 40 years ago, which I guess is completely understandable if you are an Evansville basketball fan.

The league is OBJECTIVELY better than last year. Efficiency and player rankings are up, only one team worse than 250 in the NET, a better shot at two bids.

Just because your feelings don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

[FunchessonPopcorn]

Leons had a few NBA games. Sheppard and Green are NBA regulars. Guys like Mogbo and LaRavia transferred out, but we got to see NBA talent there too. I believe we are and will continue to get a higher level of talented freshmen than the good ole days. Yeah, they’ll usually leave, probably, but we wouldn’t get as many of them in the door in the 1st place in the past.

MVC schools should be proud of their history, but not to the point we don’t appreciate we have some capable programs that do a lot with their resources yet, even today.

[siudawgs]

Not sure how people can say things are the same for leagues like the Valley when you look at the trend line of diminishing non-power league at-large bids over the past 10 or so years.

Of SIU's run of six straight NCAAs in the 2000s, five were at-large bids. Think that'd happen in this era?

Look at Indiana State getting left out last year with an incredible team. Look at most of the talking heads saying Drake needs to win Arch Madness this year despite freakin' running the table in the non-conference, including some decent meat on the bone with Vandy and K-State.

The margin of error for MVC-type schools to get an at-large has gotten ludicrously thin. Go run the table in non-conference (with shrinking opportunities on neutral floors) and then go 18-2 in a good conference and then get to your championship game and lose by 4 points or less, and then you have a fighting chance to get in. Cool.

Nobody is saying things were ever "equal," but the growing chasm is real, regardless of whether we're still ranked 10th (do they give out trophies for that?)

[AcesAces]

I didn't say it was equal. There is more pecking today than at any point in the past. The entire all conference teams of last year were pecked. When has that happened before?

Heck, Indiana State lost its coach and a couple of its stars to St. Louis! That's a big smack in the face of the MVC.

And next year, the P6 schools can pay 15 players per team.

But yes, the MVC is weaker this year because of the pecking. When we peck, most of it is from lower divisions and lower conferences not from the P6, and what does come down from the P6 is nothing like a Mary Simmons or a Scott Haffner as it was before.

But we ended up in the same exact spot (10th) as last season. It’s just people’s perceptions that changed - the numbers and results themselves didn’t.

Yes, the leagues under us cannot can ground as the MVC and other conferences are raiding their best players as well.