Drake 28-2?

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Re: Drake 28-2?

Postby tribecalledquest » February 12th, 2025, 4:13 pm

siudawgs wrote:@Tribe,
Nothing has changed? You genuinely think Drake's chances are as good for an at-large this year as, say if this were 10-20 years ago?

You don't think the emphasis on counting "Quad 1 and 2" wins hurts mid-majors' resumes as opposed to when they were using RPIs?

You think SIU getting five at-larges in a six-year span like in the 2000s could reasonably be expected to happen for a Valley program in this climate?

And the recent normalizing of power conference programs getting bids when they're .500 or even below in league play isn't a problem for midmajor at-large candidates?

I'm too lazy to look up the trendline percentage of at-larges going to non-power conference teams but if it hasn't gone down over the past 5-10 years compared to the first 20 years of this century, I would be pretty stunned.


The P5’s getting more bids because of how the math works is a different discussion than a committee of humans intentionally showing bias against certain teams, leagues, etc.
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Re: Drake 28-2?

Postby TylerDurden » February 12th, 2025, 8:57 pm

tribecalledquest wrote:
siudawgs wrote:@Tribe,
Nothing has changed? You genuinely think Drake's chances are as good for an at-large this year as, say if this were 10-20 years ago?

You don't think the emphasis on counting "Quad 1 and 2" wins hurts mid-majors' resumes as opposed to when they were using RPIs?

You think SIU getting five at-larges in a six-year span like in the 2000s could reasonably be expected to happen for a Valley program in this climate?

And the recent normalizing of power conference programs getting bids when they're .500 or even below in league play isn't a problem for midmajor at-large candidates?

I'm too lazy to look up the trendline percentage of at-larges going to non-power conference teams but if it hasn't gone down over the past 5-10 years compared to the first 20 years of this century, I would be pretty stunned.


The P5’s getting more bids because of how the math works is a different discussion than a committee of humans intentionally showing bias against certain teams, leagues, etc.


Tribe is right in that the humans aren't showing bias against certain teams and leagues. The bias is built into the math that's being used.
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Re: Drake 28-2?

Postby Fetz86 » February 12th, 2025, 9:10 pm

I would also not be surprised if blatant coercion isn’t taking place amongst committee members too. P5 to whatever low major, “p5 team x gets in over mid major Y or you’re never getting a buy game from our conference again. Good luck funding your athletic department.”
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Re: Drake 28-2?

Postby tribecalledquest » February 12th, 2025, 9:11 pm

Fetz86 wrote:I would also not be surprised if blatant coercion isn’t taking place amongst committee members too. P5 to whatever low major, “p5 team x gets in over mid major Y or you’re never getting a buy game from our conference again. Good luck funding your athletic department.”


This isn't happening.
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Re: Drake 28-2?

Postby BCPanther » February 12th, 2025, 9:19 pm

Fetz86 wrote:I would also not be surprised if blatant coercion isn’t taking place amongst committee members too. P5 to whatever low major, “p5 team x gets in over mid major Y or you’re never getting a buy game from our conference again. Good luck funding your athletic department.”


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Re: Drake 28-2?

Postby bluebird0306 » February 12th, 2025, 10:20 pm

McCollum is way too good for this league, hoping he ends up at WVA/Iowa after Drake's NCAA appearence
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Re: Drake 28-2?

Postby Drakey » February 12th, 2025, 10:28 pm

TylerDurden wrote:
tribecalledquest wrote:
siudawgs wrote:@Tribe,
Nothing has changed? You genuinely think Drake's chances are as good for an at-large this year as, say if this were 10-20 years ago?

You don't think the emphasis on counting "Quad 1 and 2" wins hurts mid-majors' resumes as opposed to when they were using RPIs?

You think SIU getting five at-larges in a six-year span like in the 2000s could reasonably be expected to happen for a Valley program in this climate?

And the recent normalizing of power conference programs getting bids when they're .500 or even below in league play isn't a problem for midmajor at-large candidates?

I'm too lazy to look up the trendline percentage of at-larges going to non-power conference teams but if it hasn't gone down over the past 5-10 years compared to the first 20 years of this century, I would be pretty stunned.


The P5’s getting more bids because of how the math works is a different discussion than a committee of humans intentionally showing bias against certain teams, leagues, etc.


Tribe is right in that the humans aren't showing bias against certain teams and leagues. The bias is built into the math that's being used.

Correct. Artificial mathematics instituted by the P5 for the purpose of excluding everybody else.
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Re: Drake 28-2?

Postby Birdfan2018 » February 13th, 2025, 12:13 am

bluebird0306 wrote:McCollum is way too good for this league, hoping he ends up at WVA/Iowa after Drake's NCAA appearence

Where is DeVries going?
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Re: Drake 28-2?

Postby bluebird0306 » February 13th, 2025, 7:56 am

Iowa, got a redshirt for his kid too
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Re: Drake 28-2?

Postby BCPanther » February 13th, 2025, 8:42 am

bluebird0306 wrote:McCollum is way too good for this league, hoping he ends up at WVA/Iowa after Drake's NCAA appearence


Utter bullshit. Have some self respect.

McCollum, all the credit in the world to him, knew exactly what he was doing. He knew he had a core of older guys that could compete right away and found the right job where the administration is all in.

Iowa and Minnesota are both going to be open, it'll be interesting to see what his preference is. There are real NIL questions at Iowa and we know what Minnesota looks like.
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