over/under: 2.5 coaching changes?

[TNMSUFAN]

Over.

Les, C-Lo, and Martin

Zo will be very selective and I will be surprised if he leaves this year. Of course if the right offer comes along I never blame a coach for leaving but I have feeling he wants to coach Kyle his senior year. Kyle stayed when he didn't have to after the coaching change and I just think that will be returned...but money often talks.

[MSUDuo]

Over.

Les, C-Lo, and Martin

Zo will be very selective and I will be surprised if he leaves this year. Of course if the right offer comes along I never blame a coach for leaving but I have feeling he wants to coach Kyle his senior year. Kyle stayed when he didn't have to after the coaching change and I just think that will be returned...but money often talks.

I'll probably change my tune in a week or two but I said what I said with the hopes that he gets us where we want to be this year. If that happens, I find it hard to believe that someone won't jump on him early before anyone else gets the chance to even though this is still just his 3rd year. I hope I am wrong and that he is here another few years and that we can reallyy get the program built again to be left off for someone else

[Snaggletooth]

Over! Les and Lowery are gone. Either Cuonzo or Marshall leaves.

Cuonzo isn't going anywhere. No school worth leaving for is going to offer him a job on the basis of one (or fewer) NCAA tournament appearances. Short of a run to the Sweet 16 or better, there's a zero percent chance Martin is leaving...

Didn't SIU lose a coach after just 1 year?

How many years did Altman have at CU after coming back from his Arkansas gig before he left for Oregon? Altman didn't have a NCAA appearance between then and his Arkansas job.

Seems Martin has did more than either these two.

[Jet915]

Over! Les and Lowery are gone. Either Cuonzo or Marshall leaves.

Cuonzo isn't going anywhere. No school worth leaving for is going to offer him a job on the basis of one (or fewer) NCAA tournament appearances. Short of a run to the Sweet 16 or better, there's a zero percent chance Martin is leaving...

Didn't SIU lose a coach after just 1 year?

How many years did Altman have at CU after coming back from his Arkansas gig before he left for Oregon? Altman didn't have a NCAA appearance between then and his Arkansas job.

Seems Martin has did more than either these two.

I think for Atman, although he didn't do well in his last years (although he did win a regular season title two years ago), his total resume was still pretty impressive. Martin seems like a good coach but what he hasn't really done anything yet. Until he takes them to the NCAA tourney and maybe wins a game or two, his resume isn't that great either.

[Snaggletooth]

Didn't SIU lose a coach after just 1 year?

How many years did Altman have at CU after coming back from his Arkansas gig before he left for Oregon? Altman didn't have a NCAA appearance between then and his Arkansas job.

Seems Martin has did more than either these two.

I think for Atman, although he didn't do well in his last years (although he did win a regular season title two years ago), his total resume was still pretty impressive. Martin seems like a good coach but what he hasn't really done anything yet. Until he takes them to the NCAA tourney and maybe wins a game or two, his resume isn't that great either.

Well the Altman thing was a joke. Still you didn't address Painter who left after 1 year in a position where even a caveman could have gotten them to NCAA. I think there are numerous coaches who could move on. The key will like be intangibles that we fans don't even know about. If I was looking for a coach and had to chose one from mvc it would be the following:
1. Jacobsen
2. Martin
3. Marshall
4. Simmons
5. Lansing

[MSUDuo]

Didn't SIU lose a coach after just 1 year?

How many years did Altman have at CU after coming back from his Arkansas gig before he left for Oregon? Altman didn't have a NCAA appearance between then and his Arkansas job.

Seems Martin has did more than either these two.

I think for Atman, although he didn't do well in his last years (although he did win a regular season title two years ago), his total resume was still pretty impressive. Martin seems like a good coach but what he hasn't really done anything yet. Until he takes them to the NCAA tourney and maybe wins a game or two, his resume isn't that great either.

Well the Altman thing was a joke. Still you didn't address Painter who left after 1 year in a position where even a caveman could have gotten them to NCAA. I think there are numerous coaches who could move on. The key will like be intangibles that we fans don't even know about. If I was looking for a coach and had to chose one from mvc it would be the following:
1. Jacobsen
2. Martin
3. Marshall
4. Simmons
5. Lansing

As it has been mentioned before, Painter was hand picked well before that job by Keady to take over Purdue. Even if Weber had stayed and Painter was still only an assistant, he probably still goes.

[MoValley John]

Different circumstances make differences. Altman has a long, proven track record. And while his last two years (three actually) were dissapointing, he has a long track record of success. Altman completely revitalized a dead Creighton program. And yes, he was successful at K-State. K-State fans just wanted more than is realistic in Manhattan. Following Altman, it took how many years for K-State to be successful? And they had to sell their souls to the Devil to do it. Huggins? It seems Frank Martin is finding it a little more difficult in Manhattan this year. So Dana Altman did a whole lot and he did it over time, two or three bad years happens.

Matt Painter was hand picked and fast tracked to take over the Purdue program, he was Keady's right hand man and sent to SIU simply to have HC on his resume. You can't compare his situation with that of Cuonzo Martin.

Cuonzo, however, is fast tracking to a HC position at the BCS level. He is cutting his teeth at MSU and he is proving himself. If Matt Painter surprised the world and stepped down tomorrow, Cuonzo would be in. Cuonzo also has the attention and personal relationships with HC's and AD's in basketball. He will make his move when the right move presents itself. He and Gregg Marshall are the two coaches in the Valley that have the most upward potential as of right now. In fact, Martin may have more than Marshall.

Jankovich would be another coach that would be fast tracked, but he hasn't shown any great success at Illinois State. And with players given to him like Sampay, Odiakosa, Eldridge and others, Jank inherited a potential S-16 or better team. That said, even with the talent he was given, nobody could blame a first year, first time head coach for not winning it all in the Valley. Again last year, still loaded to the gills, the Rebirds got closer and Jank was someone to look at. But without the overwhelming talent Jank enjoyed his first two years, Illinois State floundered. Either he isn't recruiting, developing players or strategizing at the midmajor level, something is amiss. I still think he has the potential to be a great coach and at a high BCS level, but even with all of his coaching connections, his star has faded.

Let me reitterate one thing, guys don't take Valley jobs because they want to end their carreers here. They do it to compete, be successful, win demonstrate their abilities and move up to a higher level. That goes for McDermott, Jacobson, Lowery, Les, Martin and even Marshall. Coaches are higly competitive and highly motivated. In any industry, guys like these coaches all want to compete and win at the highest level. Most CEO's of fortune 1,000 companies would step on their own mother's corpse for the opportunity to run Coca Cola, Proctor & Gamble or Bank of America. That said, all of them have taken their own approach to reaching that goal. And each coach has different situations that allow them a faster track to the big time and they all have different hurdles. Most will never sniff the BCS, a few will grow comfortable at the Valley level and some will fail at this level, that is how life works.

Here is an interesting link about Painter: http://ncaabasketball.fanhouse.com/2010 ... -would-he/

Back on track with the thread, I stand by my prediction of the under, Les is gone and possibly but not likely, Lowery. 1-1/2 is my number.

[DawgFan]

Lowery is gonna be outta here...

[Sycamore_DevilDog]

Painter isn't going anywhere........he's a Boilermaker for life.

[Turner]

Over.

Les and Lowery get canned.

Either Marshall, Martin, or Jacobsen get a new job. I'd watch Jake personally as I think now that he's back to reality and he has a little rebuilding to do, this might be a good time. I don't think schools have forgotten what he did last year and opportunities will be there if he wants it.