NCAA Bracket Travesty

[Ace Dad]

We are drinking too much MVC kool aid. Win OOC games if you want to dance. Win on the road if you want to dance. Win your tournament if you want to dance. Otherwise, stop feeling sorry for yourself. Life is not fair and neither is basketball.

By the way, what is the problem with Air Force getting an at large bid a few years ago? Do I sense some basketball snobbery?

[Tom Servo]

Will Villanova and Marquette seriously get in over MSU?

Go look at their bodies of work. Both are 9-9 in the Big East, which is decent...a lot of wins agains the bottom feeders with one or two decent in coference wins. Both played complete joke out of conference schedules just to get their win totals up.

Nova got knocked out of the first round of the Big East tourney by USF...are you kidding me? They lost 7 of their last nine games, with the only two wins against Seton Hall and DePaul. Who would even want them in a tourney?

Marquette had three good out of conference games, Duke, Gonzaga and Wisconsin, and lost them all. The rest of the teams they played were awful and they beat them all, again to get the win total up.

Why in the world would a tournament committee even want to put these two teams in over a mid major that won 25 games and won their conference title. Nobody in the general public will be cheering for Nova or Marquette, but the whole nation cheers for a mid major to pull a first round or two win.

To me it is a joke that those two teams would make it in before MSU. Also, note that Lunardi's last four in are all from major conferences.....what a shock. Same story over and over again...Mich St beat a bunch of puds out of conference, lost to the good teams out of conference, .500 in conference. Colorado, same story.

There is a definate recipe for the selection of major conference teams, and it is BS.

I don't post much on this site but I have to give you a big AMEN for that post. I am going to puke if I hear one more thing about the stinking BIg East on ESPN. For the last couple of years, since they stopped putting a lot of mid-majors in, the Big East has been horrible in the tournament. Almost all of their supposed powerhouses lose in the first or if their lucky second round. Sometimes one team of the 8 they put in there might make a run but the team that makes the run is usually the team that performed well during conference play, not one of those 9-9 bumblers. Anyway, I hope MSU gets in and both them and ISU can make some noise!!

[MSUDuo]

We are drinking too much MVC kool aid. Win OOC games if you want to dance. Win on the road if you want to dance. Win your tournament if you want to dance. Otherwise, stop feeling sorry for yourself. Life is not fair and neither is basketball.

By the way, what is the problem with Air Force getting an at large bid a few years ago? Do I sense some basketball snobbery?

The problem was that they weren't from the Valley. That was the year the Valley got 4 bids and MSU and CU had a much better case than Air Force but we all knew that wasn't going to happen...

[CaseyGarrisonforPrez]

We are drinking too much MVC kool aid. Win OOC games if you want to dance. Win on the road if you want to dance. Win your tournament if you want to dance. Otherwise, stop feeling sorry for yourself. Life is not fair and neither is basketball.

By the way, what is the problem with Air Force getting an at large bid a few years ago? Do I sense some basketball snobbery?

Uh we beat a near tournament team like Oral Roberts in the non-con. We beat a tournament team in UALR. We did that. We won big games on the road...at Wichita, at UNI, etc. We just fell a tad bit short in the conference tournament due to a lack of depth.

The lack of support shown by Elgin and others in the MVC hierarchy is very, very disappointing. I'd hate to be the kid that takes his ball with him when he loses, but we don't NEED this league. We can find a place that would benefit us and find a place where there is a commissioner that'll look out for our interests. You look at our school and how it has grown the past 15-20 years and maybe we have outgrown the Valley just like we out grew the Mid-Continent or whatever it was called back then. Just a thought, but a thought that the leadership of our institution is exploring.

[TylerDurden]

We are drinking too much MVC kool aid. Win OOC games if you want to dance. Win on the road if you want to dance. Win your tournament if you want to dance. Otherwise, stop feeling sorry for yourself. Life is not fair and neither is basketball.

By the way, what is the problem with Air Force getting an at large bid a few years ago? Do I sense some basketball snobbery?

Uh we beat a near tournament team like Oral Roberts in the non-con. We beat a tournament team in UALR. We did that. We won big games on the road...at Wichita, at UNI, etc. We just fell a tad bit short in the conference tournament due to a lack of depth.

The lack of support shown by Elgin and others in the MVC hierarchy is very, very disappointing. I'd hate to be the kid that takes his ball with him when he loses, but we don't NEED this league. We can find a place that would benefit us and find a place where there is a commissioner that'll look out for our interests. You look at our school and how it has grown the past 15-20 years and maybe we have outgrown the Valley just like we out grew the Mid-Continent or whatever it was called back then. Just a thought, but a thought that the leadership of our institution is exploring.

This statement couldn't be further from the truth. And if you're looking for him going on a PR tour to pimp MSU this year, why would he? They don't deserve to be in and everyone knows it. They have zero quality wins. Zero.

MSU is sorely mistaken if its fans and administrators think that they have outgrown the MVC.

[DieHardMSUFan]

These threads get confusing to me. The conference season is over, the tournament is over....this is the time that all the teams cheer FOR each other. The more teams we get in the NCAA, the NIT, the CIT, whatever, is better for OUR conference. Every thread I am reading seems like a lot of people wanting to blast MSU and why they should not get it. The occassional post from another schools fan trying to justify it is refreshing, and where it should be.

If MSU makes it in, are you going to cheer for them to lose in the first round because they are a conference rival? I would hope not.

Just seems kinds strange the way people react to this stuff.

[CaseyGarrisonforPrez]

We are drinking too much MVC kool aid. Win OOC games if you want to dance. Win on the road if you want to dance. Win your tournament if you want to dance. Otherwise, stop feeling sorry for yourself. Life is not fair and neither is basketball.

By the way, what is the problem with Air Force getting an at large bid a few years ago? Do I sense some basketball snobbery?

Uh we beat a near tournament team like Oral Roberts in the non-con. We beat a tournament team in UALR. We did that. We won big games on the road...at Wichita, at UNI, etc. We just fell a tad bit short in the conference tournament due to a lack of depth.

The lack of support shown by Elgin and others in the MVC hierarchy is very, very disappointing. I'd hate to be the kid that takes his ball with him when he loses, but we don't NEED this league. We can find a place that would benefit us and find a place where there is a commissioner that'll look out for our interests. You look at our school and how it has grown the past 15-20 years and maybe we have outgrown the Valley just like we out grew the Mid-Continent or whatever it was called back then. Just a thought, but a thought that the leadership of our institution is exploring.

This statement couldn't be further from the truth. And if you're looking for him going on a PR tour to pimp MSU this year, why would he? They don't deserve to be in and everyone knows it. They have zero quality wins. Zero.

MSU is sorely mistaken if its fans and administrators think that they have outgrown the MVC.

If a conference commisioner can't get behind a 15-3 team that swept the second place team in the same conference, including a dramatic win in the last game of the regular season, then you need a new guy/gal...

If this is what the Valley has really come to then MSU, Wichita St, and UNI need to try to go Conference USA, Creighton needs to beg the A10 or be a catalyst for creating some kind of Jesuit/Catholic league with Xavier, SLU, etc. ISURed and SIUC need to beg the MAC to take them, while the rest need to try for the OVC, go D2, or perhaps follow the path of Centenary and New Orleans and just go D3 while deemphasizing sports altogether. Not worth having a league if the current status quo continues...even for just another year.

[BirdmanBB]

hahaha MSU, WSU and UNI in the CUSA. Maybe the only teams that might fit are MSU, ISUr, and SIU. Personally, I wouldn't mind a move for ISUr to either the MAC or CUSA. We could consistantly finish at the top in bball (MAC) and we would finally move to FBS football.

The conference commissioner is doing everything he can to help out MVC teams. For example, he has provided our top teams with two quality games with the MWC challenge and the bracketbuster. He has consistantly been on the record saying that our top teams need to challenge themselves more in the non-con. He can't make the schedules for them, so what else do you want him to do? Schools whined about the 150 rule, so he had to take it away. I have also heard that on occasion he has been able to gift wrap OOC games for schools that reject them.

At least he has been able to throw in the OOC SOS tiebreaker rule.

I am sure behind the scenes he is doing everything he can to give MSU a leg up, but you can't say that he hasn't warned everyone that this would happen. It will continue to happen until things change. It's funny that every school wants to make money by scheduling cupcakes at home (take away 150 rule) and then when they are the ones who are close, they complain about the system being unfair or the commissioner not doing enough. MSU and WSU made their own bed.

[TylerDurden]

Who says he isn't behind them? Of course he is.

You seem to be looking for a campaign - which wouldn't work anyway since the committee is sequestered in their hotel.

I know I'd love to see MSU (and WSU) get in the NCAA Tournament. I think everyone here would love to see MSU get in, and maybe they will get in, but it doesn't look good and most people here seem to know why.

Their resume just isn't that great, despite winning the MVC regular season and making the tournament final.

When you have to use story lines as a reason they should be included, that should tell you something.

If MSU fans want to harp on anyone, they should be upset with their fellow league teams for NOT listening to Elgin about scheduling.

They think they know better and they don't. These last couple of years have proven it. All these Johnny-come-lately fans can't see that because of their school-colored blinders.

When people decide to schedule the way they do, MSU (or any other team) can't earn quality wins during league play and have a very small chance to make the dance because they also didn't beat anyone of note in the non-conference season.

Missouri State is in the position it is out of their own doing. They could have won against Oklahoma State, but didn't, they could have won their BB game, but didn't...they could have played more than 3 top-100 caliber teams during the non-conference season, but didn't.

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[dgreenwell3]

A. Beating a "Near" tournament team isnt going to get you into the tournament.
B. Really need to reinstitute the RPI rule which will help the valley as a whole.
C. I mean you guys have a great team in my mind BUT, You guys really needed to schedule better lol...U put it all on that UT game and came up short. YOu guys deserve to be in the big dance no doubt...