Players you hated but would have loved if on your team

[panther-state]

What? How does Greg E. get brought into this?

If someone is going to take a passive aggressive shot at Weems then I am going to stick up for him. That is all I am saying.

Interesting that you knew exactly who I was talking about, even though I didn't use his name. I guess that proves my point....

Haha Kaboom!

[CaseyGarrisonforPrez]

What? How does Greg E. get brought into this?

If someone is going to take a passive aggressive shot at Weems then I am going to stick up for him. That is all I am saying.

Interesting that you knew exactly who I was talking about, even though I didn't use his name. I guess that proves my point....

It proves the sensitivity of Creighton fans in general. I just cannot recall one thing that Kyle has done on the court that has left me thinking wow this kid is cocky or something worse along that say train of thought. And even though he is hated and no longer our coach, I remember the hatred spewed by Blue Jay fans when Cuonzo Martin got excited after the game in Springfield. I thought people got out of hand.

I regreat bringing Echenique into matters, he does not seem like a bad kid but I will defend our players and that includes both Creek and Kyle.

[AndShock]

It proves the sensitivity of Creighton fans in general. I just cannot recall one thing that Kyle has done on the court that has left me thinking wow this kid is cocky or something worse along that say train of thought.

You must not have watched any SWOMO games.

[DoubleJayAlum]

It proves the sensitivity of Creighton fans in general. I just cannot recall one thing that Kyle has done on the court that has left me thinking wow this kid is cocky or something worse along that say train of thought.

You must not have watched any SWOMO games.

Amen.

I'm pretty sure that if you polled fans from all of the fanbases outside of MSU, Weems would be voted the most cocky player in the league by a landslide. The only conclusion I can draw is that Casey didn't really watch any MSu games last year.

[valleychamp]

I don't blame the players from MSU. They were only following the lead from their head coach, who often erupted into embarrassing fits of fist pumping/jumping/screaming after wins. When your head coach misses the handshake line after a game because he is doing an impersonation of Ray Lewis after sacking a QB, I wouldn't expect the players to act any more humble.

[glm38]

I watched every Bears game and I'll admit Kyle can come off as cocky sometimes. But that doesn't mean he's a bad kid. Most of the better players in our league past and present have presented themselves that way. Doug McDermott seems kind of cocky to me. Kyle Korver certainly did too. I'm not knocking either player either. I think it just goes with the territory and being confident in your abilities.

Some player just aren't emotional. They are the cool as ice Ray Allen types. Other players are emotional and need to pump themselves up. I think the emotional "heart on their shirtsleeve" types like Weems and Creekmore in general just evoke negative perceptions in their opponents and their fans particularly when they are successful. It's perceived as throwing it in the face of your opponent. But wouldn't basketball be boring without these types of players?

[Snapshot9]

There nothing wrong with a little cockiness as long as you can bring it on the court. It provokes motivation.

[Duan]

I regreat bringing Echenique into matters, he does not seem like a bad kid but I will defend our players and that includes both Creek and Kyle.

Thank you for saying that. Every team has some less than classy players but Echenique is not one of those that comes to mind IMO.

[panther-state]

I watched every Bears game and I'll admit Kyle can come off as cocky sometimes. But that doesn't mean he's a bad kid. Most of the better players in our league past and present have presented themselves that way. Doug McDermott seems kind of cocky to me. Kyle Korver certainly did too. I'm not knocking either player either. I think it just goes with the territory and being confident in your abilities.

Some player just aren't emotional. They are the cool as ice Ray Allen types. Other players are emotional and need to pump themselves up. I think the emotional "heart on their shirtsleeve" types like Weems and Creekmore in general just evoke negative perceptions in their opponents and their fans particularly when they are successful. It's perceived as throwing it in the face of your opponent. But wouldn't basketball be boring without these types of players?

For once I think you're on to something...while I adore Ray Allen (so kudos for that reference), basketball would be boring if every player were emotionless (actually I think he shows a decent amount of emotion, its just below-average for the NBA). Cockiness gives us those players on our team that we love and the players that everyone else hates. Ask Panther fans about George Mason's PG, the little bastard flopped and faked injuries, threw up on our court and yet knocked down clutch 3's with ease and then would "shush" the crowd...I've never wanted to punch someone more in my life...and their entire team is that way. But imagine how much fun that team was to watch for a GMU fan, I enjoyed watching them in the tourney and that's a team you hate to lose to because they just throw it in your face and have a good time at your expense.

BTW I also find Dougie-Fresh (now Dougie-Soph???) to come off as cocky...now was that because a decent amount of Panther fans were booing him for his decommittment and he wanted to throw it back at them, probably. I think its those ugly colors he's wearing

[MoValley John]

I don't know if most of the better players in the league have historically come off cocky. Most Wichita state players don't come off as cocky, nor do UNI. In their "Floorburn U" days, I didn't think SIU players came off cocky, either. As for Creighton, I don't see much cockyness, either. I can't remember if Kyle Korver came off as cocky, I just remember he could shoot lights out. I never thought Blake Ahearn was cocky, he was simply an opportunistic flopper that made impossible treys and never missed a freethrow. I would think he would have been mentioned by now, his absence to this point puzzles me a bit.

Jamal Tatum wasn't cocky to me, either, just freaking hard-nosed and flat-out good. Players like that may make opposing fans think they're being cocky, but really they're simply ripping out your heart. Osiris wasn't cocky to me, either, he simply took over games. Many times, fans from opposing teams think the star is cocky, and he probably is a bit, but most of that comes from the frustration fans feel as they look at the freshly ripped open hole in the middle of their chest. At the same time, fans of a team with cocky players often don't see all of the over the top antics their guys are doing. Afterall, he's their guy and if he's winning, isn't doing anything wrong. Perception, simply perception.

I will end this by saying that everybody saw what P'Allen Stinnett was doing, everyone except the refs when he was practicing his place kick in Wichita.

The occasional chest bumps, high fives, pounding your heart, etc. to me are simply emotion and being into the game. Nothing over the top. that said, when it gets to the level of what Creekmore and Weems did with their Superman's, binoculars, posing and other antics, that is where I think it gets over the top. As I said earlier, I blame that more on the coach, as he dictates the behavior of his players. I really believe we will see an equally talented and energetic Weems this year, but I bet with the new coach, what I consider antics will be dialed down a few notches.