Missing Creighton

[TheAsianSensation]

I don't think there's a correlation between missing Creighton in the league and having an opinion in any direction on what Wichita means to the league. People are stretching out the meaning of this thread - in both directions.

IMO.

[Aargh]

I don't think Creighton would have added much excitement - or even interest - this year. With the young McDermott gone and the old McDermott still there... Throw in the graduation of Gibbs and Wragge, and CU looks like (at best) a mid-pack Valley team this year.

The off-topic portion of this thread has focused on WSU. WSU was a #1 seed in the NCAA's last year. Anybody remember the last #1 seed in the tourney from the Valley? Try Larry Bird. Prior to that it was when most of the current Valley was still D2.

From that #1 seed WSU is returning a part-time frontcourt starter, Carter, who averaged 7.9 points and 4.5 boards. Carter was the #5 scorer on the team.

After that WSU returns the MVC DPoY in Cotton. The Shox return a Jr. PG (VanVleet) who looks like a consensus pre-season 1st team AA. The Shox return Baker, who is getting a lot of pre-season hype as about a 3rd team AA and is being projected as a likely 1st round NBA pick after his Jr year.

When an MVC team returns 4 starters from an NCAA #1 seed, including the MVC DPoY, two AA candidates, an early entry first round draft pick...fans of that team are going to expect to do well in the Valley.

[Rollbird5]

With Creighton being an excellent program for awhile now even without big tourney runs they have been missed and will be missed anyone who says otherwise is crazy, always brought a nice size crowd to away games and archmadness. They did lose their best players but it is a program that always seems to bounce back and get good players for continued success. With them being in the big east (not the same big east as before but power conference still) and a known basketball program they will get very good recruits, probably better ones than they would have if still playing in mvc. I don't think they will be down for long if at all.

[glm38]

With Creighton being an excellent program for awhile now even without big tourney runs they have been missed and will be missed anyone who says otherwise is crazy, always brought a nice size crowd to away games and archmadness. They did lose their best players but it is a program that always seems to bounce back and get good players for continued success. With them being in the big east (not the same big east as before but power conference still) and a known basketball program they will get very good recruits, probably better ones than they would have if still playing in mvc. I don't think they will be down for long if at all.

I agree that Creighton brought some excitement to the Valley and they are definitely missed. But they didn't just not have "big tourney runs". They didn't have any kind of tourney run at all. EVER. To me that really taints their Valley legacy.

And I could be wrong but I think they are in for some hard times in the next few years.

[Wufan]

With Creighton being an excellent program for awhile now even without big tourney runs they have been missed and will be missed anyone who says otherwise is crazy, always brought a nice size crowd to away games and archmadness. They did lose their best players but it is a program that always seems to bounce back and get good players for continued success. With them being in the big east (not the same big east as before but power conference still) and a known basketball program they will get very good recruits, probably better ones than they would have if still playing in mvc. I don't think they will be down for long if at all.

I agree that Creighton brought some excitement to the Valley and they are definitely missed. But they didn't just not have "big tourney runs". That didn't have any kind of tourney run at all. EVER. To me that really taints their Valley legacy.

And I could be wrong but I think they are in for some hard times in the next few years.

This. CU as a program was good for the Valley. Their basketball team over the last 10 years is comparable to UNI and WSU, with the only distinguishable difference being their ability to win Arch Madness and bow out in the first weekend of March Madness.

[PantherSigEp]

With Creighton being an excellent program for awhile now even without big tourney runs they have been missed and will be missed anyone who says otherwise is crazy, always brought a nice size crowd to away games and archmadness. They did lose their best players but it is a program that always seems to bounce back and get good players for continued success. With them being in the big east (not the same big east as before but power conference still) and a known basketball program they will get very good recruits, probably better ones than they would have if still playing in mvc. I don't think they will be down for long if at all.

I agree that Creighton brought some excitement to the Valley and they are definitely missed. But they didn't just not have "big tourney runs". That didn't have any kind of tourney run at all. EVER. To me that really taints their Valley legacy.

And I could be wrong but I think they are in for some hard times in the next few years.

This. CU as a program was good for the Valley. Their basketball team over the last 10 years is comparable to UNI and WSU, with the only distinguishable difference being their ability to win Arch Madness and bow out in the first weekend of March Madness.

It should not have taken until this page for this to be mentioned. Strong program that definitely helped the MVC out but they had no real postseason success under McDermott or Altman other than getting a berth. That's an awesome and enviable accomplishment on its own but let's not forget that the point is to win games in the tournament, not just pat yourself on the back

[Cdizzle]

Continually making the tournament and flaming out is actually a net negative for your conference. You give the appearance that your best team can't compete on the national level. At least we don't have that problem any more.

[Drakey]

I miss Louisville.

I miss Memphis.

[Wufan]

I miss Louisville.

I miss Memphis.

I miss Cinncinati.

[mvcfan]

With Creighton being an excellent program for awhile now even without big tourney runs they have been missed and will be missed anyone who says otherwise is crazy, always brought a nice size crowd to away games and archmadness. They did lose their best players but it is a program that always seems to bounce back and get good players for continued success. With them being in the big east (not the same big east as before but power conference still) and a known basketball program they will get very good recruits, probably better ones than they would have if still playing in mvc. I don't think they will be down for long if at all.

Creighton does have a nice program. They will drop down to a 50-70 program this year, not even close to a Top 20 type of program. The may come up to a 40 type of program. Like I said, a nice program.