If Wichita Left.... (RPI Talk)

[BCPanther]

LOL. The Valley isn't going into the toilet with just Wichita leaving and adding another team in (if that even happens).

Now, if that move causes a UNI and ISU or others to improve into FBS for football and make a conference move due to that as well... then we're talking.

But Wichita alone wont tank the Valley.

LOL.

So if UNI or Illinois State leaves the Valley, it's in the toilet, but if WSU leaves, it can survive? LOL. Ok.

UNI leaving would be far more damaging than if Illinois State left. UNI has a history of winning in this league, has recent NCAA Tournament appearances/success, and has been consistently above average for a far longer time than Illinois State, who for all we know could be a hot Johnny-come-lately and tank after their load of seniors graduate. So please.

Also, you're assuming a lot with these FBS aspirations. I'm gonna go ahead and say it's way more likely the Valley hits #16 in the RPI after WSU leaves than UNI or Illinois State joining FBS football.

TheObserver....Re-read his message (I highlighted the key part in bold and underline). It states

"The Valley isn't going into the toilet with just Wichita leaving and adding another team in (if that even happens).
Now, if that move causes a UNI and ISU or others to improve into FBS for football and make a conference move due to that as well... then we're talking."

So, what he is saying is if WSU leaves AND it causes ISUr and UNI to leave because of it to FBS football conferences, then the Valley is in trouble. They are not mutually exclusive moves away from the conference.

Also, you understand moves out of the conference are for ALL SPORTS, not just basketball right? So, you have to take into account the impact of a move for all sports, not just basketball. Here is an excerpt from the all sports trophy article for 2015-16 season:

"Either Illinois State, Missouri State or Wichita State, meanwhile, has earned the league’s all-sports championship trophy every year since 1995. Illinois State won five of six all-sports championships from 1996-2001, while Missouri State claimed the league’s trophy in 2001-02, 2002-03 and in 2011-12. Notably, Illinois State has 12 all-sports crowns and has finished first, second, or third in 24 of the past 26 years."

http://www.mvc-sports.com/awards/allspo ... ItVRxsrKM8

So, back to your jab at Illinois State....is UNI really that much better in ALL SPORTS than ISUr? Absolutely not, they are worse.

Of course UNI doesn't win the All-Sports Trophy. We don't have baseball and the Valley doesn't have wrestling and football doesn't count. The All-Sports Trophy is a cool thing, but its not exactly comparing apples to apples.

[Redbirds4Life]

^Not a huge UNI guy, but lets be honest, Illinois State-Northern Iowa would be equally damaging in the grand scheme....I'd say from an overall perspective, both teams are pretty even in the eyes of most.

Has anyone thrown out that if ISU/UNI left for FBS, that maybe Wichita would leave? Not sure if I'm alone on this one, but I think if either happens, the other one follows...and the whole argument about losing Wichita Vs UNI/ISU is tough, cus while Wichita does have a bigger name in CBB, its replacing 2 teams vs 1 team.

[BirdsEyeView]

^Not a huge UNI guy, but lets be honest, Illinois State-Northern Iowa would be equally damaging in the grand scheme....I'd say from an overall perspective, both teams are pretty even in the eyes of most.

Has anyone thrown out that if ISU/UNI left for FBS, that maybe Wichita would leave? Not sure if I'm alone on this one, but I think if either happens, the other one follows...and the whole argument about losing Wichita Vs UNI/ISU is tough, cus while Wichita does have a bigger name in CBB, its replacing 2 teams vs 1 team.

The argument was never about replacing WSU vs UNi & ISU. TheObserver misunderstood the comment by Redbirdgrad.
It's compounding each other. WSU leaves to the AAC and then UNI & ISUr follow to an FBS school, which is all hypothetical.

Please go back to PE class before the teacher catches you on your phone. You are just making this worse.

[BirdsEyeView]

Of course UNI doesn't win the All-Sports Trophy. We don't have baseball and the Valley doesn't have wrestling and football doesn't count. The All-Sports Trophy is a cool thing, but its not exactly comparing apples to apples.

Both have Football (ISUr has been better)
ISUr has Baseball (a more popular and desirable sport to bring into a new conference)
UNI has Wrestling (less desirable)

I was not really trying to make this about UNI vs ISUr. I just wanted to clarify to TheObserver that the moves aren't always just about basketball as they have to take all sports with.

[Redbirds4Life]

^Not a huge UNI guy, but lets be honest, Illinois State-Northern Iowa would be equally damaging in the grand scheme....I'd say from an overall perspective, both teams are pretty even in the eyes of most.

Has anyone thrown out that if ISU/UNI left for FBS, that maybe Wichita would leave? Not sure if I'm alone on this one, but I think if either happens, the other one follows...and the whole argument about losing Wichita Vs UNI/ISU is tough, cus while Wichita does have a bigger name in CBB, its replacing 2 teams vs 1 team.

The argument was never about replacing WSU vs UNi & ISU. TheObserver misunderstood the comment by Redbirdgrad.
It's compounding each other. WSU leaves to the AAC and then UNI & ISUr follow to an FBS school, which is all hypothetical.

Please go back to PE class before the teacher catches you on your phone. You are just making this worse.

PE class, good one.

My whole deal was just wondering if hypothetically UNI/ISU left before Wichita did anything. I think that Wichita would see themselves in a position to get out before it gets any worse. If all 3 left, that would cripple the conference.

And I disagree with you, I think both teams are pretty equally desirable. To the right league, College Wrestling would be pretty attractive, especially in the state of Iowa.

[Cdizzle]

My whole deal was just wondering if hypothetically UNI/ISU left before Wichita did anything. I think that Wichita would see themselves in a position to get out before it gets any worse.

WSU already sees themselves in a position to get out before it gets any worse.

There has to be somewhere to go.

ISU and UNI aren't waiting on WSU to leave to decide to go FBS. That's not a thing.

[Redbirdgrad]

Don't sweat it man. I'm used to ShockerFever not reading my posts and then responding and looking like a moron.

I still don't understand this dude and his hate. It's irrational at this point.

[Redbirds4Life]

My whole deal was just wondering if hypothetically UNI/ISU left before Wichita did anything. I think that Wichita would see themselves in a position to get out before it gets any worse.

WSU already sees themselves in a position to get out before it gets any worse.

There has to be somewhere to go.

ISU and UNI aren't waiting on WSU to leave to decide to go FBS. That's not a thing.

I get you, but that's why I said hypothetically...my point was that Wichita isn't leaving for sure, but if UNI and ISU did leave, it would more than likely be a certainty Wichita State would leave instantly.

[SubGod22]

My whole deal was just wondering if hypothetically UNI/ISU left before Wichita did anything. I think that Wichita would see themselves in a position to get out before it gets any worse.

WSU already sees themselves in a position to get out before it gets any worse.

There has to be somewhere to go.

ISU and UNI aren't waiting on WSU to leave to decide to go FBS. That's not a thing.

You're right in that Wichita isn't waiting for someone else to do something to leave. Wichita will go as soon as someone makes us an offer.

It's been said in the past that UNI could move up to FBS but they didn't want to do so at the cost of basketball. With Wichita having one foot out the door I wouldn't be surprised if UNI isn't working back channels trying to find a willing partner. I think they had a chance at the MAC years ago, but at the time, the MAC was really bad at basketball. The MAC has been improving and if UNI could get in it would give them conference stability. I'm sure ISU would jump on an offer from the MAC as well at this point. Their biggest problems there is that the MAC is already considered full and adding more teams would decrease their payout for the CFP. The additions would either have to increase overall revenue for the conference or at least do no harm to happen. That's kind of the same spot Wichita is in with the AAC, football or not. I've seen debates amongst AAC fans on if we'd add revenue or not. Most seem to think we would add more than we'd take. But those are fans, not presidents.

[LanceShock]

My whole deal was just wondering if hypothetically UNI/ISU left before Wichita did anything. I think that Wichita would see themselves in a position to get out before it gets any worse.

WSU already sees themselves in a position to get out before it gets any worse.

There has to be somewhere to go.

ISU and UNI aren't waiting on WSU to leave to decide to go FBS. That's not a thing.

I get you, but that's why I said hypothetically...my point was that Wichita isn't leaving for sure, but if UNI and ISU did leave, it would more than likely be a certainty Wichita State would leave instantly.

Again, for WSU the problem is having somewhere to go. To this point, we just have a report that the AAC had a discussion related to adding WSU. That is a long way from actually having somewhere to go.

Having UNI/IlSU leave and not having a decent place to leave for would be a nightmare for WSU.