Wichita State @ LSU Saturday

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Re: Wichita State @ LSU Saturday

Postby Aargh » December 19th, 2010, 6:50 pm

Has Stutz been known for hitting 3's much in the past in game ending situations?

I hope you're not surprised to hear that Stutz has not previously been the go to guy for a 3 to win the game.
I see he is 50% this year for threes.

Stutz is a good 3-pt. shooter and he picks and chooses his spots. He mostly shoots them when he's on a high post and his guy drops off into a passing land, leaving no within 10' of him when he shoots.
I read on the WSU site it was from the right wing. Was he open? How did the shot come about?

Stutz was on the block on the right side of the lane when Murry started a drive down the right side of the lane. A lot of Shocker fans who are coaching geniuses were critical of Stutz for being out of position. They thought he was supposed to be under the basket. If Stutz rotates down and Murry is driving that side of the lane, there's a lot of bodies between Murry and the hoop. Stutz rotated AWAY from where Murry was going and pulled a post defender out of Murry's way. Murry's defender cut off the drive and the guy on Stutz dropped off to help, leaving Stutz wide open at about a 45 degree angle. Nothing but net.

Stutz is one of the better 3-point shooters on the team. He's also unlikely to be guarded in that situation. I'm pretty confident the play was designed that if Murry got cut off his outlet was to Stutz for an open 3. If the defender on Stutz would have stayed with him and stayed in the passing lane, Murry would have been stuck without a shot and no one to pass to. The element of surprise and the natural instinct to let the big guy shoot a 3 were key to the success of that play when the drive was stopped.
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Re: Wichita State @ LSU Saturday

Postby Khan4Cats » December 19th, 2010, 7:48 pm

Aargh wrote:
Has Stutz been known for hitting 3's much in the past in game ending situations?

I hope you're not surprised to hear that Stutz has not previously been the go to guy for a 3 to win the game.
I see he is 50% this year for threes.

Stutz is a good 3-pt. shooter and he picks and chooses his spots. He mostly shoots them when he's on a high post and his guy drops off into a passing land, leaving no within 10' of him when he shoots.
I read on the WSU site it was from the right wing. Was he open? How did the shot come about?

Stutz was on the block on the right side of the lane when Murry started a drive down the right side of the lane. A lot of Shocker fans who are coaching geniuses were critical of Stutz for being out of position. They thought he was supposed to be under the basket. If Stutz rotates down and Murry is driving that side of the lane, there's a lot of bodies between Murry and the hoop. Stutz rotated AWAY from where Murry was going and pulled a post defender out of Murry's way. Murry's defender cut off the drive and the guy on Stutz dropped off to help, leaving Stutz wide open at about a 45 degree angle. Nothing but net.

Stutz is one of the better 3-point shooters on the team. He's also unlikely to be guarded in that situation. I'm pretty confident the play was designed that if Murry got cut off his outlet was to Stutz for an open 3. If the defender on Stutz would have stayed with him and stayed in the passing lane, Murry would have been stuck without a shot and no one to pass to. The element of surprise and the natural instinct to let the big guy shoot a 3 were key to the success of that play when the drive was stopped.


Almost wonder if there was a secondary guy-like a Kyles or Durley to flash the lane as an outlet from the double team as well-depending on the defense.

It is nice to have big guys that can shoot from range. Eglseder was solid from out there, but we didn't use him as much the last couple of years. Worked out nice in the Kansas game as they were giving him plenty of room and he was able to surprise them. Of course, there was no chance for Jordan to put it on the floor and try and take it to the rim as Stutz did on him last year. Don't know if Stutz could do that on anyone that moves faster than a glacier, but was a nice move none the less.
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Re: Wichita State @ LSU Saturday

Postby musiccitybulldog » December 19th, 2010, 7:57 pm

Interesting to hear how it happened. That has to really be a confidence builder.
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Re: Wichita State @ LSU Saturday

Postby iSASO » December 19th, 2010, 10:49 pm

Random MVCFans.com member, circa 2007: "Gregg Marshall is in over his head in this conference."
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Re: Wichita State @ LSU Saturday

Postby jayball » December 20th, 2010, 9:04 am

Great showing by the Valley leader! :Yea!:

This is the MVC's marquee victory just barley nudging out Chaminade. Nice work Shocks.


At large chaces still alive. Beat Tulsa and then dominate the Valley. (including Evansville) :Yea!:
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Re: Wichita State @ LSU Saturday

Postby DoubleJayAlum » December 20th, 2010, 10:25 am

Aargh wrote:
Has Stutz been known for hitting 3's much in the past in game ending situations?

I hope you're not surprised to hear that Stutz has not previously been the go to guy for a 3 to win the game.
I see he is 50% this year for threes.

Stutz is a good 3-pt. shooter and he picks and chooses his spots. He mostly shoots them when he's on a high post and his guy drops off into a passing land, leaving no within 10' of him when he shoots.
I read on the WSU site it was from the right wing. Was he open? How did the shot come about?

Stutz was on the block on the right side of the lane when Murry started a drive down the right side of the lane. A lot of Shocker fans who are coaching geniuses were critical of Stutz for being out of position. They thought he was supposed to be under the basket. If Stutz rotates down and Murry is driving that side of the lane, there's a lot of bodies between Murry and the hoop. Stutz rotated AWAY from where Murry was going and pulled a post defender out of Murry's way. Murry's defender cut off the drive and the guy on Stutz dropped off to help, leaving Stutz wide open at about a 45 degree angle. Nothing but net.

Stutz is one of the better 3-point shooters on the team. He's also unlikely to be guarded in that situation. I'm pretty confident the play was designed that if Murry got cut off his outlet was to Stutz for an open 3. If the defender on Stutz would have stayed with him and stayed in the passing lane, Murry would have been stuck without a shot and no one to pass to. The element of surprise and the natural instinct to let the big guy shoot a 3 were key to the success of that play when the drive was stopped.


Sounds like Marshall has implemented Dana's high post offense. :D
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Re: Wichita State @ LSU Saturday

Postby Aces1982 » December 20th, 2010, 10:33 am

After beating a great LSU team, did your head coach really boo hoo after the resounding victory?
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Re: Wichita State @ LSU Saturday

Postby WuDrWu » December 20th, 2010, 12:52 pm

Not surprisingly, you are as ill informed as some casual Shocker fans as to what goes on behind the scenes.

My attempts at being cordial, polite and one with the Valley are over.

If I get banned, so be it. The rest of you milktoasty lovers can revel in your own mediocrity. This fan, and our program want blood.


You don't understand, I don't expect you to understand so please don't attempt to comment on something about which you haven't a clue.
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Re: Wichita State @ LSU Saturday

Postby iSASO » December 20th, 2010, 12:57 pm

I posted this very same concept on the conference office-sponsored fan forum on the first day I posted in 1997. And yes, they didn't understand it then either, DrWu.
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Re: Wichita State @ LSU Saturday

Postby WuDrWu » December 20th, 2010, 1:25 pm

Aces1982 wrote:After beating a great LSU team, did your head coach really boo hoo after the resounding victory?



You really think they are great? Interesting.

They had some athletes and their 2 freshmen guards are dynamite (Colt would have NO chance to hold either under 30) but they are young and inexperienced and have little to no depth. Their coach claimed Saturday's performance was their best of the year. I don't know, but having seen both Nicholls State and LSU in person, I have no idea how LSU lost to NSU.

LSU will be fortunate to win many games in the SEC, but they have the talent to beat a lot of teams when they are on.
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