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Re: Elgin should resign

Postby IllinoisState » March 31st, 2019, 8:56 am

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Dean Wormer wrote:
Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Shortsighted. Won't stand multiple top 25s in last decade with multiples NCAA tournaments and wins with several draft picks including a top 5. He would rather see the MVC as the 32nd best conference than go to 11 for the better of the conference. Yes, it might sick for cross country or whatever but basketball is your bread and butter so make decisions based on that.


It's not Elgin's call, it's the 10 presidents who have the final say. There are plenty of areas they consider other than just men's basketball.


But they shouldn't. Worry about the turkey not the cranberry sauce. The mvc is making decisions based on the cranberry sauce.


Could we get an Easter metaphor next?

I agree though.
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Re: Elgin should resign

Postby Hooper » March 31st, 2019, 11:02 am

I’m a little surprised Golden didn’t ask him about the future of Arch Madness. The contract is up next year. I’m assuming he’s not worried about it and we’ll get an announcement of an extension sometime soon?
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Re: Elgin should resign

Postby VUGrad1314 » March 31st, 2019, 11:15 am

I thought they had just signed an extension.
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Re: Elgin should resign

Postby mvchoopsfan » March 31st, 2019, 11:22 am

This article was the final straw with me. Elgin doesn't get it. He has no power and and no vision. He might not be able to add schools or talk the Presidents into getting a better school(s) to join the league, but he can dictate scheduling. He did it before when there were consequences for scheduling bums. If he isn't going to make teams schedule up then the league will just keep slipping to the bottom.
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Re: Elgin should resign

Postby IWokeUpLikeThis » March 31st, 2019, 11:29 am

RedbirdFan has a thread on the article. The reaction is a mirror image of this site.
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Re: Elgin should resign

Postby Hooper » March 31st, 2019, 11:49 am

VUGrad1314 wrote:I thought they had just signed an extension.


Link? If it’s extended past 2020 I’m sure it’d be newsworthy. I haven’t seen anything.
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Re: Elgin should resign

Postby VUGrad1314 » March 31st, 2019, 2:05 pm

The fact is that Elgin has done and continues to do good work for the conference overall. The scheduling mandate was bold and brilliant and put the conference on the map. It's what really made me fall in love with MVC hoops and made me view the MVC as the absolute dream conference for Valpo as a youngster growing up here. Then, quick as it came, the mandate went away, programs with the exception of Wichita State Creighton and UNI began to slide, but the league was able to remain strong thanks to this core. There were some pretty strong misses along the way (Butler Western Kentucky etc the latter of which predates the end of the mandate if my memory is correct) but the league maintained multibid status and its teams continued to do damage in the tournament. The Loyola addition is also a testament to Elgin and his foresight and it has paid off in a big way. What fans like me are upset about however is that a program like Murray State which stacks up really well against most MVC teams especially when you consider the past decade and would absolutely elevate the profile of the conference is left out because of either politics or numbers. There was no good reason why Valpo and Murray State shouldn't have both been admitted after Wichita State left and then to hear him lament the increasing difficulty to garner at large bids and talk about a projected 2\3 drop in tournament revenue while begging the tournament to expand when he has a chance to make his own conference better it just sounds weak and hollow. Surely there is some kind of deal or arm twisting he could have done if he really wanted to add Murray State and make the conference stronger. He could have even offered Murray State a delayed invitation (Would have saved them the OVC exit fee and put their football addition better in line with the addition of North Dakota and given the league time to adjust its scheduling to accommodate the move while delaying the travel burden and pie division as long as possible and the fact that he himself is not pushing for that addition or working to make a deal to get a very deserving program into this conference is very upsetting. No adding Murray State does not guarantee more bids but the scheduling mandate wasn't guaranteed to work either. Where did that boldness go from Elgin and the Presidents? That's the MVC I want to be a part of. That's the MVC I thought my school was joining. The fact is we need both. We need to get better as a conference and we're doing that but we need to take advantage of the right external opportunities when they present themselves. No that does not mean we need to go off on a serial adding spree and add anyone who might just be middle of the pack, but Murray State is an opportunity to add a potential league and tournament game winner without expanding the footprint. It's a dream scenario and it's something the MVC needs to do.
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Re: Elgin should resign

Postby TheAsianSensation » March 31st, 2019, 3:06 pm

"Equal schedule strength is important. If you get to a 12 or 14-team model where you don't have that round robin, there's often a wide range in scheduling strength depending on who you play," Elgin said.


There should be a wide range in conference schedule strength! The selection committee has maintained, over many years, that conference record is meaningless. You should strive for an unbalanced setup. All our peer conferences are stacking their schedules to enhance the resumes of their top teams!
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Re: Elgin should resign

Postby VUGrad1314 » March 31st, 2019, 3:12 pm

Right. Taking next year's projected rosters in mind as they stand right now: you want your Missouri States and your Bradleys to not have to play your Valpos more often than they absolutely have to. The A10 has used this unbalanced model to great effect in the past and that's why it remains a 2-3 bid conference today. I guess the problem for the MVC is that there may not be enough good enough teams willing to join up to create this model anyway.
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