Little Rock to the OVC

[Kyle_Saluki_17]

I'm about done with the MVC. I hope Indiana State moves to the Horizon League if this is true. Being involved more in the Indianapolis market would do more for us than KC and Dallas combined. I don't see why ISU should be subsidizing private schools and their lousy enrollments. I'd like to congratulate the private schools for dragging the MVC down even more. Four of the 5 schools (I'm including Belmont) have no fan support, and three of them completely suck in basketball. No wonder Wichita, Creighton, and Loyola couldn't wait to leave. Loyola probably wasn't impressed by Arlington or UMKC either, which is why they contacted the A10. Why Missouri State didn't beg the CUSA for an invite is beyond me. They'll live to regret that one I'm sure.

The Valley could've saved itself in the basketball world by just going to 11 with Murray State, but instead the idiot presidents and the idiots in St Louis can't help but drink the kool aid when it comes to markets. It's an athletics league not an academic league. If your enrollment sucks then maybe your school sucks or costs too much. There's a thought.

I think there are other schools and fans that would be perfectly fine with Indiana State being in the Horizon league instead of this one. Didn't realize that the Trees were the ones holding our league together. Calm down. Lol

[unipanther99]

I recognize I'm new here and have a lot to learn, so please be patient with me and correct me where I'm wrong.

From what I gather so far:

1. Having or expressing an opinion while new is frowned upon as it is considered arrogant.
2. The MVC is a public school vs. private school league, each carrying a great deal of disdain for the other.
3. Past history is valued over present situation.
4. When in doubt, focus on attendance.

Please understand, I'm not judging, just trying to learn the rules so I can fit in.

LOL. It's kind of funny. It seems like after Wichita left we all started getting along a little better until Loyola announced they were jumping ship. But yeah, there has always been a little public/private, football/non-football tension.

We all still care most about putting a quality basketball product out there that can compete with the best of the non-power conferences. As long as we're heading in that direction, we are just arguing over the minor details, and that's a good thing.

Honestly, whatever happens, I think the MVC is going to be just fine. We are glad you have Belmont aboard and most of us value the new opinions coming from the outside perspective.

[tribecalledquest]

I recognize I'm new here and have a lot to learn, so please be patient with me and correct me where I'm wrong.

From what I gather so far:

1. Having or expressing an opinion while new is frowned upon as it is considered arrogant.
2. The MVC is a public school vs. private school league, each carrying a great deal of disdain for the other.
3. Past history is valued over present situation.
4. When in doubt, focus on attendance.

Please understand, I'm not judging, just trying to learn the rules so I can fit in.

LOL. It's kind of funny. It seems like after Wichita left we all started getting along a little better until Loyola announced they were jumping ship. But yeah, there has always been a little public/private, football/non-football tension.

We all still care most about putting a quality basketball product out there that can compete with the best of the non-power conferences. As long as we're heading in that direction, we are just arguing over the minor details, and that's a good thing.

Honestly, whatever happens, I think the MVC is going to be just fine. We are glad you have Belmont aboard and most of us value the new opinions coming from the outside perspective.

I was talking to a long time MVC personnel person today about all of this. Now, we can nitpick the details - and maybe I mentioned this earlier - but the fans, reaction, etc. were all wrong on three of the last four expansions - with Valpo still TBD.

UNI - no one wanted them. Couldn't believe the Valley would take them - has worked out well for everyone
Evansville - Slam dunk. Everyone was on board. Couldn't get Butler but wanted the Aces - has been fine for the Valley but wasn't some major slam dunk
Loyola - Got laughed at. They suck. No fans. No one cares - ended up being great for the Valley and great for Loyola.
Valpo - I think people were split on this one - and has yet to move the needle in any way.

If any of us have a clue how any new team will work out - just look at the history - we don't know.

[BCPanther]

Eldon Miller and Eldon Miller alone got UNI into the Valley and the fact that we it's not named Eldon Miller Arena is a travesty.

[E-Villan]

I recognize I'm new here and have a lot to learn, so please be patient with me and correct me where I'm wrong.

From what I gather so far:

1. Having or expressing an opinion while new is frowned upon as it is considered arrogant.
2. The MVC is a public school vs. private school league, each carrying a great deal of disdain for the other.
3. Past history is valued over present situation.
4. When in doubt, focus on attendance.

Please understand, I'm not judging, just trying to learn the rules so I can fit in.

I'll try to help you out a bit.

1. Yes, you are correct. Newbies are only expected to post comments along the lines of "gosh, we're just so damn happy to finally be here" and "thanks for pulling us out of that wretched conference". We're letting you sit at the cool table, show a little gratitude. Once a new school joins, you will be allowed an opinion.

2. Sometimes there is disdain, but it is usually used more as a tool in an argument. Publics do like to throw around the All-Sports trophies because they usually do have an advantage in some non-revenue sports. Not always though, the privates for example pretty much dominated volleyball this year. It's usually more a football argument between the MVFC and basketball only schools. Those lines are pretty much private/public though. We do tend to line up on those sides when football starts getting discussed. As a Belmont fan, you can expect allies from the other privates if you catch yourself in one of these discussions.

3. Depends on the present situation. Here in Evansville for example, past history is absofreakingly more important than present situation. We will always drop that in an argument with a Belmont fan until our present situation is worth arguing.

4. Again, absolutely correct if you can draw fans, and have little success to brag about. Bradley and Evansville fans will resort to this almost every time we are reminded our program sucks. Yeah, we suck, but at least our fans will pay money to watch suck. Sometimes, it's all we got.

Hope that helps. In all seriousness, we will fight like brothers, sisters, cats and dogs, but in the non-con and especially post season, I don't think you will find another conference where the fans pull together like this one. With the exception of Loyola, our schools have long rivalries and stability with each other. I look forward to Belmont being part of that for years to come. Welcome to the cool table.

[Sunbelt/funbelt]

The OVC will regret this one. Little Rock has been the most successful basketball program in the SBC over the last decade with three championships (2011, 2016 and 2020) and a tourney win. The Horizon League will soon be superior to the MVC just like the SBC passed Conference USA after they added lesser quality teams in big markets. Best of luck to y’all playing in empty HS gyms against bad teams…but at least you’re doing it in a big city.

[IllinoisState]

The OVC will regret this one. Little Rock has been the most successful basketball program in the SBC over the last decade with three championships (2011, 2016 and 2020) and a tourney win. The Horizon League will soon be superior to the MVC just like the SBC passed Conference USA after they added lesser quality teams in big markets. Best of luck to y’all playing in empty HS gyms against bad teams…but at least you’re doing it in a big city.

Okay, thanks.

[MissouriValleyUnite]

The OVC will regret this one. Little Rock has been the most successful basketball program in the SBC over the last decade with three championships (2011, 2016 and 2020) and a tourney win. The Horizon League will soon be superior to the MVC just like the SBC passed Conference USA after they added lesser quality teams in big markets. Best of luck to y’all playing in empty HS gyms against bad teams…but at least you’re doing it in a big city.

We’ve let your Mt Everest-sized nonsense slide in your first 5 posts, but now that you’re pissing on someone else’s lawn, here’s a reality check:

Little Rock’s situation and resources are there to be the next Loyola.

Loyola - $710 million endowment
UALR - $80 million endowment

Loyola - $4.4 million MBB budget (102)
UALR - $2.0 million MBB budget (215)

Loyola - #3 MSA
UALR - #80 MSA (trails every non-Murray candidate)

Your endowment and MBB budgets are 11% and 47% of Loyola’s, Loyola is located in a world-class city, yet here you are beating your chest that UALR has the resources to be the next Loyola.

Little Rock is not far behind Murray State.

10-yr KenPom
Murray - 114
UALR - 204

3-yr Attendance
Murray - 4710
UALR - 1800

NCAA Bids
Murray - 17
UALR - 5

Since 2010:
Murray - .727 winning%, 3 R32 teams, 2 T25 teams
UALR - .475 winning%, 1 R32 team

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Your school ranks near the bottom among candidates in most metrics. Your school was on the open market and couldn’t get into any league better than the future NET #30 conference where no other member has a MBB budget in the top-300 once Murray leaves. Your delusions are far detached from the reality of not only data, but what the actual college sports realignment market itself just dictated.

[IllinoisState]

The OVC will regret this one. Little Rock has been the most successful basketball program in the SBC over the last decade with three championships (2011, 2016 and 2020) and a tourney win. The Horizon League will soon be superior to the MVC just like the SBC passed Conference USA after they added lesser quality teams in big markets. Best of luck to y’all playing in empty HS gyms against bad teams…but at least you’re doing it in a big city.

We’ve let your Mt Everest-sized nonsense slide in your first 5 posts, but now that you’re pissing on someone else’s lawn, here’s a reality check:

Little Rock’s situation and resources are there to be the next Loyola.

Loyola - $710 million endowment
UALR - $80 million endowment

Loyola - $4.4 million MBB budget (102)
UALR - $2.0 million MBB budget (215)

Loyola - #3 MSA
UALR - #80 MSA (trails every non-Murray candidate)

Your endowment and MBB budgets are 11% and 47% of Loyola’s, Loyola is located in a world-class city, yet here you are beating your chest that UALR has the resources to be the next Loyola.

Little Rock is not far behind Murray State.

10-yr KenPom
Murray - 114
UALR - 204

3-yr Attendance
Murray - 4710
UALR - 1800

NCAA Bids
Murray - 17
UALR - 5

Since 2010:
Murray - .727 winning%, 3 R32 teams, 2 T25 teams
UALR - .475 winning%, 1 R32 team

———————————————

Your school ranks near the bottom among candidates in most metrics. Your school was on the open market and couldn’t get into any league better than the future NET #30 conference where no other member has a MBB budget in the top-300 once Murray leaves. Your delusions are far detached from the reality of not only data, but what the actual college sports realignment market itself just dictated.

Great post.

And why come into the MVC forum to complain about the MVC when not in the conference? Save that for your own board.

[TheDrake]

The OVC will regret this one. Little Rock has been the most successful basketball program in the SBC over the last decade with three championships (2011, 2016 and 2020) and a tourney win. The Horizon League will soon be superior to the MVC just like the SBC passed Conference USA after they added lesser quality teams in big markets. Best of luck to y’all playing in empty HS gyms against bad teams…but at least you’re doing it in a big city.

We’ve let your Mt Everest-sized nonsense slide in your first 5 posts, but now that you’re pissing on someone else’s lawn, here’s a reality check:

Little Rock’s situation and resources are there to be the next Loyola.

Loyola - $710 million endowment
UALR - $80 million endowment

Loyola - $4.4 million MBB budget (102)
UALR - $2.0 million MBB budget (215)

Loyola - #3 MSA
UALR - #80 MSA (trails every non-Murray candidate)

Your endowment and MBB budgets are 11% and 47% of Loyola’s, Loyola is located in a world-class city, yet here you are beating your chest that UALR has the resources to be the next Loyola.

Little Rock is not far behind Murray State.

10-yr KenPom
Murray - 114
UALR - 204

3-yr Attendance
Murray - 4710
UALR - 1800

NCAA Bids
Murray - 17
UALR - 5

Since 2010:
Murray - .727 winning%, 3 R32 teams, 2 T25 teams
UALR - .475 winning%, 1 R32 team

———————————————

Your school ranks near the bottom among candidates in most metrics. Your school was on the open market and couldn’t get into any league better than the future NET #30 conference where no other member has a MBB budget in the top-300 once Murray leaves. Your delusions are far detached from the reality of not only data, but what the actual college sports realignment market itself just dictated.

Well, that takes care of that.