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Re: Gregg Marshall made $1,213,000.00 this year

Postby MoValley John » April 11th, 2011, 2:28 pm

[quote="TylerDurden"]
Oh, the irony. :D[/quote]

Actually, Cold was dead on with his description of value and there is little irony. Cold also left many holes, allowing people the opportunity to trip. He never stated anything incorrect and at the same time, he wisely didn't object to me stating that the present value of Gregg Marshall imuch less than what Wichita State is currently paying.

Fair market value is simply what the market is willing to bear for a commodity, asset or a service at a particular moment in time. By nature, fair market value is constantly in flux. In the last week, the present market value of a head coach has dropped substantially. Quite simply, there isn't a large market for head coaches. Three weeks ago there was. And three weeks ago several buyers were in the market with big checkbooks. The demand then drove the market. The value of Gregg Marshall, as a function of supply and demand, had a high fair market value, so did Cuonzo Martin. Today, the bidders with the big checkbooks have all made their purchases and left the marketplace; there still is a market for coaches but the market isn't bearing $1,000,000, actually much less. Therefore, in the current marketplace, there is nobody bidding on Gregg Marshall and his present fair market value can be no higher than the top bid of the next coach hired. The small bidders may offer Marshall, but it would be their top offer that would determine fair market value, not at the level at which Gregg Marshall would be willing leave.

At this point next season, Marshall's fair market value could be quite high, it could be quite low, it all depends on how well Wichita State performes, how others performed, how many positions are open, who is bidding and at what level the bidding is taking place. If North Carolina, South Carolina and Duke are in the marketplace for a coach, it could drive the value of Gregg Marshall and all other coaches much higher. If there aren't a bunch of large checkbooks in the market, fair market value will drop. Simple economics.

Fair market value of a rare item, which all coaches are, is determined by the perceived quality of the rare item and is set at the top of the range being bid on the rare item. But at the same time, unless there is an active market for that item, you simply have a perceived value. That is what Wichita State fans have with Gregg Marshall, a perceived value. The owner of fine art has a perceived value in the art. Until the item is auctioned, there is no way to determine exactly the fair market value. And if the owner of the fine art will not sell it for less than a million, but the top bid is $500,000, $500,000 is the fair market value regardless of what the owner of the art might believe. That owner may even have the art appraised at a million and insured at a million, but the fair market value is still $500,000.

On the flipside, where fair market value on a rare item is determined by the top of the range, fair market value of a common item is determined by the mode. With common items, if gas is selling for $3.50 at most stations and that is what is driving the majority of gas sales, that is the fair market value of gas. The stations selling gas for $3.52 are selling above fair market value and the stations selling gas for $3.48 are selling gas below fair market value. This isn't that hard.
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Re: Gregg Marshall made $1,213,000.00 this year

Postby Ricardo del Rio » April 13th, 2011, 4:24 pm

MoValley John wrote:
TylerDurden wrote:Oh, the irony. :D


Actually, Cold was dead on with his description of value and there is little irony. Cold also left many holes, allowing people the opportunity to trip. He never stated anything incorrect and at the same time, he wisely didn't object to me stating that the present value of Gregg Marshall imuch less than what Wichita State is currently paying.

Fair market value is simply what the market is willing to bear for a commodity, asset or a service at a particular moment in time. By nature, fair market value is constantly in flux. In the last week, the present market value of a head coach has dropped substantially. Quite simply, there isn't a large market for head coaches. Three weeks ago there was. And three weeks ago several buyers were in the market with big checkbooks. The demand then drove the market. The value of Gregg Marshall, as a function of supply and demand, had a high fair market value, so did Cuonzo Martin. Today, the bidders with the big checkbooks have all made their purchases and left the marketplace; there still is a market for coaches but the market isn't bearing $1,000,000, actually much less. Therefore, in the current marketplace, there is nobody bidding on Gregg Marshall and his present fair market value can be no higher than the top bid of the next coach hired. The small bidders may offer Marshall, but it would be their top offer that would determine fair market value, not at the level at which Gregg Marshall would be willing leave.

At this point next season, Marshall's fair market value could be quite high, it could be quite low, it all depends on how well Wichita State performes, how others performed, how many positions are open, who is bidding and at what level the bidding is taking place. If North Carolina, South Carolina and Duke are in the marketplace for a coach, it could drive the value of Gregg Marshall and all other coaches much higher. If there aren't a bunch of large checkbooks in the market, fair market value will drop. Simple economics.

Fair market value of a rare item, which all coaches are, is determined by the perceived quality of the rare item and is set at the top of the range being bid on the rare item. But at the same time, unless there is an active market for that item, you simply have a perceived value. That is what Wichita State fans have with Gregg Marshall, a perceived value. The owner of fine art has a perceived value in the art. Until the item is auctioned, there is no way to determine exactly the fair market value. And if the owner of the fine art will not sell it for less than a million, but the top bid is $500,000, $500,000 is the fair market value regardless of what the owner of the art might believe. That owner may even have the art appraised at a million and insured at a million, but the fair market value is still $500,000.

On the flipside, where fair market value on a rare item is determined by the top of the range, fair market value of a common item is determined by the mode. With common items, if gas is selling for $3.50 at most stations and that is what is driving the majority of gas sales, that is the fair market value of gas. The stations selling gas for $3.52 are selling above fair market value and the stations selling gas for $3.48 are selling gas below fair market value. This isn't that hard.



1. Willing buyer (university) and willing seller (coach).

2. Constraining forces on the free market such as goverment intervention or NCAA rules. As an example, buying institutions may not contact a possible willing coach, until after the regular season and post season has ended for the willing coach. (Yes, I am aware of loopholes in this rule.)

3. Lastly, someone always over pays even in the free market and someone always under pays in the free market. The free market is the summation of all the sole transactions.

As a footnote, the new coach at Emporia State University will earn $80,000 per year. Coach Calipari earns about $7,000,000 per year.

As a very related comment, Cold has a brilliant mind and provides a most valuable educational service and wise counsel to this fine forum. The ShockerNet would be most wise, if it reconsidered the banishment of Cold.
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Re: Gregg Marshall made $1,213,000.00 this year

Postby MoValley John » April 13th, 2011, 4:55 pm

Nice additions, RDR. As I said, economics is not all that difficult. And without external forces, regulation and intervetion (Government, and in the case of coaches salaries, the NCAA) the market will take care of itself. That said, the market for coaches is for the most part, closed. The buyers have bought and regardless of who is available right now, the top buyer presently is Miami and they aren't offering either Wichita state or even Creighton money. Therefore, the present fair market value of Gregg Marshall is only as high as what Miami will pay. Too little. The funny thing is that Frank Martin is begging for the Miami, and I believe, he has offered what appears to be a pay cut to get considered. At best, he is trying to demonstrate that Kansas State isn't paying him as much as they might think, attempting to sell Miami that his fair market value isn't as high as the Miami administration might believe. Miami either isn't buying the figures that Martin has released to the media, or they simply don't think that he is the right guy to turn the program around. Fact is, Miami thinks they are more than they are, all the while frank Martin is grovelling. Funny stuff.
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Re: Gregg Marshall made $1,213,000.00 this year

Postby Ricardo del Rio » April 13th, 2011, 9:24 pm

MoValley John wrote:Nice additions, RDR. As I said, economics is not all that difficult. And without external forces, regulation and intervetion (Government, and in the case of coaches salaries, the NCAA) the market will take care of itself. That said, the market for coaches is for the most part, closed. The buyers have bought and regardless of who is available right now, the top buyer presently is Miami and they aren't offering either Wichita state or even Creighton money. Therefore, the present fair market value of Gregg Marshall is only as high as what Miami will pay. Too little. The funny thing is that Frank Martin is begging for the Miami, and I believe, he has offered what appears to be a pay cut to get considered. At best, he is trying to demonstrate that Kansas State isn't paying him as much as they might think, attempting to sell Miami that his fair market value isn't as high as the Miami administration might believe. Miami either isn't buying the figures that Martin has released to the media, or they simply don't think that he is the right guy to turn the program around. Fact is, Miami thinks they are more than they are, all the while frank Martin is grovelling. Funny stuff.


Coach Martin's shameless ploy probably is not attractive to Miami and is offputting to KSU.

Or as some might say about Coach Martin's behavior, "Not too cool."
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Re: Gregg Marshall made $1,213,000.00 this year

Postby C0|db|00ded » April 18th, 2011, 3:56 pm

On Sunday, Wichita State athletic director Eric Sexton said work continues on men’s basketball coach Gregg Marshall’s contract extension. It’s in the lawyer stage, with details and such being hammered out.

“Still moving back and forth,” Sexton said. -kansas.com


Lock him down ADES!

Give him 10 years and $15,000,000.00 but make the buyout at least $1,500.000.00.

It's a great day!


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Re: Gregg Marshall made $1,213,000.00 this year

Postby DoubleJayAlum » April 19th, 2011, 7:24 am

Might want to start paying Double G's assistants a little better to keep them from bolting. What is he down to now - 1 assistant left?
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Re: Gregg Marshall made $1,213,000.00 this year

Postby ictjay » April 19th, 2011, 7:28 am

DoubleJayAlum wrote:Might want to start paying Double G's assistants a little better to keep them from bolting. What is he down to now - 1 assistant left?


Weird deal with Gross.
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Re: Gregg Marshall made $1,213,000.00 this year

Postby C0|db|00ded » April 19th, 2011, 8:29 am

DoubleJayAlum wrote:Might want to start paying Double G's assistants a little better to keep them from bolting. What is he down to now - 1 assistant left?


Last I checked, our head assistant makes as much as some Valley head coaches. It's simply a case of realizing that Wichita State will never hire them as the head coach. They are at the wrong Valley program for that. If HCGM ever leaves, it will be an up-and-coming national superstar or proven BCS veteran who takes over the reigns at WSU.
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Re: Gregg Marshall made $1,213,000.00 this year

Postby C0|db|00ded » April 19th, 2011, 8:36 am

I'm also assuming that HCGM isn't the easiest person to work for. He is very demanding and sets the example himself with a tireless work ethic and unfading tenacity to win. Slackers need not apply.

"Recruiting is like shaving, you skip a day and you look like a bum" -HCGM (and others)
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Re: Gregg Marshall made $1,213,000.00 this year

Postby bigdawg » April 19th, 2011, 9:46 am

Cold is right. HCGM's work ethic is legendary. In fact, he's already preparing for next year's NIT.
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