Tremell Murphy Shoots Man in Head

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

Way to be tone deaf, Drakey. This is a horrible report. The kid didn't get medical attention that he needed AFTER BEING SHOT IN THE HEAD because they called the coach first instead of the police. Appears to have called police on the coaches way out the door which is probably a half hour delay. Jesus, how can you defend this?

[PantherSigEp]

I don't think anything in this report tells me that the Drake program should be punished in any way. Until new details come out that directly implicate Devries or the program to some large extent that should remain to be the case.

However, a person who works as an asst. coach for the program certainly should face repercussion if the allegations are true and their negligence led to a falsified report and delayed medical care. That's a no-brainer, "You're Fired!" and to think otherwise is ludicrous. Again, this is all under the assumption that the allegations are true.

[BCPanther]

I don't think anything in this report tells me that the Drake program should be punished in any way. Until new details come out that directly implicate Devries or the program to some large extent that should remain to be the case.

However, a person who works as an asst. coach for the program certainly should face repercussion if the allegations are true and their negligence led to a falsified report and delayed medical care. That's a no-brainer, "You're Fired!" and to think otherwise is ludicrous. Again, this is all under the assumption that the allegations are true.

Can't fire him, assuming it's Richter.

They can't seem to win any recruiting battles in the Midwest and he's their pipeline to the Florida JUCOs...

[DUBulldog]

I don't think anything in this report tells me that the Drake program should be punished in any way. Until new details come out that directly implicate Devries or the program to some large extent that should remain to be the case.

However, a person who works as an asst. coach for the program certainly should face repercussion if the allegations are true and their negligence led to a falsified report and delayed medical care. That's a no-brainer, "You're Fired!" and to think otherwise is ludicrous. Again, this is all under the assumption that the allegations are true.

Can't fire him, assuming it's Richter.

They can't seem to win any recruiting battles in the Midwest and he's their pipeline to the Florida and Virginia JUCOs...

Virginia JUCOs? I must be missing something here.

Anyway, the fact that the lawsuit does not mention this coach by name makes me doubtful that it happened as laid out in the lawsuit. They know that they can sue Tremell all they want, but he doesn't have the resources to make a large payment to the injured student. By bringing a coach into it, they think they'll be able to dig into Drake's pockets. I was amazed by how many different people they are including in the lawsuit.

[mvfcfan]

I thought Drake pretty much just recruited out of Iowa, Illinois, and NW Indiana.

[VUGrad1314]

I think a number of the players they have found from NWI first started out as JUCOs. That might have changed over the past year or two but initially I'm pretty sure that was the case. I think the Murphys for instance went to a JUCO in Florida initially.

[TheDrake]

I thought Drake pretty much just recruited out of Iowa, Illinois, and NW Indiana.

No, we recruit almost exclusively from Viginia JUCOs.

[BCPanther]

Mea culpa guys. Got distracted while typing. Edited.

He's your Florida guy and your JUCO guy in general. Not sure why Virginia popped into my mind.

This is obviously a lawyer throwing everything out there that has any chance at sticking. It's what good lawyers do. I don't think this ends up coming back on the staff or university at all but it does hurt Tremell's individual case if it's true.

[VUGrad1314]

Jesus if this is true, then that's just despicable. Again, if this is true, then that coach needs to be fired and the school deserves to be sued and possibly face NCAA sanctions.

https://twitter.com/TDavisDMR/status/12 ... 0462233603

This is absurd. This was an accidental injury. The only issue is whether the player was negligent in the handling of the gun causing it to fire. That seems pretty likely. Nothing anybody did or said after the fact is of any relevance. The coach has denied the allegations. With all of the intentional cheating going on in college sports you want NCAA sanctions for an accidental injury? It would be nice if everything in the world could work perfectly, but things happen in real time. I don't know what is meant by "swept under the rug." He pled guilty to the only crimes he could have been charged with. More than would have been charged if he had not been a Drake basketball player.

Hopefully no Valpo player ever gets in an auto accident that injures someone. If so I assume you would propose that the Valpo basketball program be shut down.

Defensive much? First off, let's compare apples to apples if we're going to suggest hypotheticals and get defensive about them. Getting in an auto accident is not even remotely similar to SHOOTING SOMEBODY IN THE HEAD; and yes, if the kid was found to have some negligent role that speaks to his or her culpability I would fully advocate for a suspension for that player. But the issue isn't with the act itself. That's not what I think is a potential NCAA issue it's the alleged COVER UP after the fact. IF that's true that's a serious issue. It speaks to a serious lack of institutional control and could potentially result in NCAA sanction which wouldn't necessarily be unwarranted. I hope we can agree that covering up issues like this is bad but here I'll go on record for you. IF a Valpo player ever shot somebody in the head by accident or on purpose and IF a coach subsequently advocated for the player to cover up that incident then YES. I would want that coach fired IMMEDIATELY and If the NCAA chose to get involved and sanction Valpo they would have my full support. This isn't me trying to take a gotcha stance against a rival I am consistent on this regardless of school. Does that make you feel better? I wouldn't have said anything about this possibly being an NCAA issue until the idea of the COACH ALLEGEDLY COVERING IT UP surfaced. That is a much bigger issue than the shooting itself. I hope you can see that and agree with that.

[Drakey]

The problem with your analysis is that you think this is somehow different than an auto accident. It is exactly the same. It was an accident. In my view there is certainly less culpability here than there would be if s player caused an accident while driving under the influence. You can say he shot someone in the head all you want if you think it makes it sound worse. The fact of the matter is that he had a gun unintentionally and accidentally fire. The bullet went through a wall and then struck the plaintiff. The allegations regarding the coach have undoubtedly been made in an attempt to interject evidence of what was said after the incident, which would otherwise be inadmissible. I am assuming you find this act as horrific because it involved a gun. I wonder if you would have the same view if a player at Valpo was cleaning his hunting rifle and it accidentally fired.