REPORT: Murray to the Valley?

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Re: REPORT: Murray to the Valley?

Postby BEARZ77 » October 1st, 2021, 1:49 pm

squirrel wrote:
rally wrote:
You can't do both with conference games, one team has to lose. That's the point.


Understood. But you also have a non-conference schedule. It just means you'll have to put on the big boy pants and start acting like one.


Little easier said than done; yeah there MM teams that still get a good noncon put together, but not many and it's getting fewer. With P-5 playing 20 game conference seasons, then also playing in two conference challenges , plus many also liking a couple traditional rivalries like MU playing Illinois and KU , and then this year I saw a trend towards 4 team all P-5 events of 2 games vs traditional MTE , it is getting tough to just say schedule better. I think the key is top MM have to start collaborating more to schedule each other.
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Re: REPORT: Murray to the Valley?

Postby squirrel » October 1st, 2021, 2:15 pm

Stealing from Bradley Brave on the Bradley board:

The formula is simple:

- 1 non-DI
- 1 P5 paycheck game
- 2 low major buy games
- 2 quality mid-major H/H (even if not a "challenge" this can easily be coordinated among 3-4 leagues with the same need)

15 home games, 13 road games, and 3 neutral site

Teams that don't want to take buy games are going to have to take them. You can still give yourself 3 near automatic wins, and ideally the league wins 75% or more of the MM H-H series, and 30% of the P5 buyouts. Most league teams will get a quality tournament every year.

So yes, you're adding more .500 ball into the equation, but you're also reducing the number of overall losses OOC and even more importantly the number of toxic games that don't do anything for you even if you win.

And you are better winning a higher percentage of fewer, but better games.
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Re: REPORT: Murray to the Valley?

Postby TBS_20 » October 1st, 2021, 3:13 pm

squirrel wrote:Stealing from Bradley Brave on the Bradley board:

The formula is simple:

- 1 non-DI
- 1 P5 paycheck game
- 2 low major buy games
- 2 quality mid-major H/H (even if not a "challenge" this can easily be coordinated among 3-4 leagues with the same need)

15 home games, 13 road games, and 3 neutral site

Teams that don't want to take buy games are going to have to take them. You can still give yourself 3 near automatic wins, and ideally the league wins 75% or more of the MM H-H series, and 30% of the P5 buyouts. Most league teams will get a quality tournament every year.

So yes, you're adding more .500 ball into the equation, but you're also reducing the number of overall losses OOC and even more importantly the number of toxic games that don't do anything for you even if you win.

And you are better winning a higher percentage of fewer, but better games.


Non d1s should be banned again by the Valley
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Re: REPORT: Murray to the Valley?

Postby BCPanther » October 1st, 2021, 3:19 pm

TBS_20 wrote:
squirrel wrote:Stealing from Bradley Brave on the Bradley board:

The formula is simple:

- 1 non-DI
- 1 P5 paycheck game
- 2 low major buy games
- 2 quality mid-major H/H (even if not a "challenge" this can easily be coordinated among 3-4 leagues with the same need)

15 home games, 13 road games, and 3 neutral site

Teams that don't want to take buy games are going to have to take them. You can still give yourself 3 near automatic wins, and ideally the league wins 75% or more of the MM H-H series, and 30% of the P5 buyouts. Most league teams will get a quality tournament every year.

So yes, you're adding more .500 ball into the equation, but you're also reducing the number of overall losses OOC and even more importantly the number of toxic games that don't do anything for you even if you win.

And you are better winning a higher percentage of fewer, but better games.


Non d1s should be banned again by the Valley


Why? They're cheap home games that don't hurt your computer numbers. Why pay 5 times as much for a 300+ SWAC team?

Also, non-DIs were never banned.
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Re: REPORT: Murray to the Valley?

Postby VUGrad1314 » October 1st, 2021, 3:33 pm

From everything I have seen there has been no confirmation of this since that tweet. No movement or statement from the MVC office or from Murray State. Should we be concerned? What might be holding this up?
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Re: REPORT: Murray to the Valley?

Postby smidge34 » October 1st, 2021, 3:57 pm

VUGrad1314 wrote:From everything I have seen there has been no confirmation of this since that tweet. No movement or statement from the MVC office or from Murray State. Should we be concerned? What might be holding this up?


I’ll believe it when our Board Of Regents calls a special session. Until then as reliable as Matt Jones generally is, he could have read it on a message board for all we know. We had tweets in 2017 along the same lines. If he’s wrong he’s sure gonna let the air out of an entire fanbase.
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Re: REPORT: Murray to the Valley?

Postby SalukiWorld » October 1st, 2021, 5:21 pm

VUGrad1314 wrote:From everything I have seen there has been no confirmation of this since that tweet. No movement or statement from the MVC office or from Murray State. Should we be concerned? What might be holding this up?

The Belmont thing leaked early too and wasn't picked up by any national people until the day before and day of the announcement. I'm guessing we'll hear more next week and might even get another press conference.
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Re: REPORT: Murray to the Valley?

Postby TBS_20 » October 1st, 2021, 5:25 pm

smidge34 wrote:
VUGrad1314 wrote:From everything I have seen there has been no confirmation of this since that tweet. No movement or statement from the MVC office or from Murray State. Should we be concerned? What might be holding this up?


I’ll believe it when our Board Of Regents calls a special session. Until then as reliable as Matt Jones generally is, he could have read it on a message board for all we know. We had tweets in 2017 along the same lines. If he’s wrong he’s sure gonna let the air out of an entire fanbase.


Lol. I remember excitedly watching you BOR special meeting on my computer just to be disappointed by Doug Elgin again
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Re: REPORT: Murray to the Valley?

Postby mvfcfan » October 2nd, 2021, 7:53 am

VUGrad1314 wrote:From everything I have seen there has been no confirmation of this since that tweet. No movement or statement from the MVC office or from Murray State. Should we be concerned? What might be holding this up?


I'm not really all that concerned. If we don't hear anything either next week or the week after, then I will start to get concerned. Besides Matt Brown, no one had said anything about Belmont either. I think that took a little over a week before it was finally announced. Murray State should be in the MVC for the 2022 season. They might not be in the MVFC until a little later, we'll just have to wait and see.
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Re: REPORT: Murray to the Valley?

Postby letsgoAces » October 2nd, 2021, 7:59 am

I am going to still assume Murray State will be joining the MVC....it just makes sense and has for some time. Quality basketball team and university, with passionate fans that travel. Forget the small market...who gives a rip? The MVC needs great teams to be a greater league. They and Belmont together move the needle considerably, thus making an already good conference, a great one. I would expect multiple bids in most years, plus you can add in an NIT bid as well. This pulls this league very favorable towards challenging the Atlantic 10 for best mid-major league, and as mentioned earlier, they are not as far behind the AAU as some might want you to believe. Everyone should be pleased with this move.
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