Official MVCfans 2011-12 prediction - 3rd place

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Who will finish in 3rd place during the 2011-12 MVC mens basketball season?

Poll ended at September 27th, 2011, 6:33 am

Creighton
5
7%
Indiana State
52
74%
Wichita State
13
19%
 
Total votes : 70

Re: Official MVCfans 2011-12 prediction - 3rd place

Postby Khan4Cats » September 23rd, 2011, 9:12 pm

SycamoreFanatic wrote:Holy crap.........................we better find a new point guard quick............Jake ain't got a chance anymore! Bet he makes your teams all work their a$$es off for the next three (3) years though while he is trying to hang in there.

:dance: :Beer:


Well, if you think the Valley is just going to ignore him, be our guest. But it ain't gonna happen. Jake's gonna get different looks and different combos thrown at him. Teams may cut off his drives and force him into pull up shots or lure him in to drives and cut off his dish options. I would suspect some teams will get physical with him. They may try to make him work on defense more to wear him down. He won't be ignored or overlooked-he will be the #1 item on the Sycamore scouting report all year until someone else proves to be just as dangerous. It's called respect. Jake has earned that. The rest of the team has to step up with him.

I don't want to put words in Aargh's mouth, but I would bet he expects that the same kind of treatment is going to be given to Doug McDermott this year as well. I would think that most people just feel that Doug has a much stronger supporting cast to make up for anything that teams try and limit with him.

UNI fans will be seeing the same thing with Anthony James, Drake with Rice, MSU will have to show something other than Weems because he is going to get a lot of attention, and so on.
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Re: Official MVCfans 2011-12 prediction - 3rd place

Postby Aargh » September 23rd, 2011, 10:00 pm

Khan4Cats wrote:
SycamoreFanatic wrote:Holy crap.........................we better find a new point guard quick............Jake ain't got a chance anymore! Bet he makes your teams all work their a$$es off for the next three (3) years though while he is trying to hang in there.

:dance: :Beer:

I don't want to put words in Aargh's mouth, but I would bet he expects that the same kind of treatment is going to be given to Doug McDermott this year as well. I would think that most people just feel that Doug has a much stronger supporting cast to make up for anything that teams try and limit with him.

McDermott is in a different universe. I think coaches are going to just accept the fact that he's going to get his 20 and try to make sure no one else for CU goes off on them. I think the emphasis will be to hold McDermott to 20 and make sure he doesn't go for 30.

With what else CU has, if you concentrate too much D on McDermott, the rest of the team will just flat light you up. Odum doesn't have that kind of supporting cast. Young, Manigat, and Echinique have all earned respect and can't be ignored.
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Re: Official MVCfans 2011-12 prediction - 3rd place

Postby panther-state » September 23rd, 2011, 11:10 pm

Aargh wrote:
Khan4Cats wrote:
SycamoreFanatic wrote:Holy crap.........................we better find a new point guard quick............Jake ain't got a chance anymore! Bet he makes your teams all work their a$$es off for the next three (3) years though while he is trying to hang in there.

:dance: :Beer:

I don't want to put words in Aargh's mouth, but I would bet he expects that the same kind of treatment is going to be given to Doug McDermott this year as well. I would think that most people just feel that Doug has a much stronger supporting cast to make up for anything that teams try and limit with him.

McDermott is in a different universe. I think coaches are going to just accept the fact that he's going to get his 20 and try to make sure no one else for CU goes off on them. I think the emphasis will be to hold McDermott to 20 and make sure he doesn't go for 30.

With what else CU has, if you concentrate too much D on McDermott, the rest of the team will just flat light you up. Odum doesn't have that kind of supporting cast. Young, Manigat, and Echinique have all earned respect and can't be ignored.


Just an FYI but Doug only scored 20+ 3 times last season...yeah he's definitely a threat for it but Jake Koch scored 30+ in a game last year and I think we all know the strategy with him isn't "give him his 30 and just don't let it turn into 40". Also why should anyone worry about Manigat? Heck I'd be more concerned with Korver or Wragge than that kid. Just my thoughts, maybe I missed something.
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Re: Official MVCfans 2011-12 prediction - 3rd place

Postby SycamoreFanatic » September 24th, 2011, 11:45 am

Aargh wrote:
Khan4Cats wrote:
SycamoreFanatic wrote:Holy crap.........................we better find a new point guard quick............Jake ain't got a chance anymore! Bet he makes your teams all work their a$$es off for the next three (3) years though while he is trying to hang in there.

:dance: :Beer:

I don't want to put words in Aargh's mouth, but I would bet he expects that the same kind of treatment is going to be given to Doug McDermott this year as well. I would think that most people just feel that Doug has a much stronger supporting cast to make up for anything that teams try and limit with him.

McDermott is in a different universe. I think coaches are going to just accept the fact that he's going to get his 20 and try to make sure no one else for CU goes off on them. I think the emphasis will be to hold McDermott to 20 and make sure he doesn't go for 30.

With what else CU has, if you concentrate too much D on McDermott, the rest of the team will just flat light you up. Odum doesn't have that kind of supporting cast. Young, Manigat, and Echinique have all earned respect and can't be ignored.


Don't think for a minute that Jake doesn't have a pretty damned good supporting cast and a deep one at that. Again, I can't wait until this upcoming season plays out.

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Re: Official MVCfans 2011-12 prediction - 3rd place

Postby DoubleJayAlum » September 24th, 2011, 12:38 pm

panther-state wrote:Just an FYI but Doug only scored 20+ 3 times last season...yeah he's definitely a threat for it but Jake Koch scored 30+ in a game last year and I think we all know the strategy with him isn't "give him his 30 and just don't let it turn into 40". Also why should anyone worry about Manigat? Heck I'd be more concerned with Korver or Wragge than that kid. Just my thoughts, maybe I missed something.

Korver graduated, but he certainly wasn't one to be concerned with.

Where Doug is most dangerous is rebounding. He was able to get boards against everyone and has a knack for just being in the right place. Often those rebounds lead to put back baskets. I'm not looking for Doug to be scoring 30 points. I hope we have a little more balance than that.
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Re: Official MVCfans 2011-12 prediction - 3rd place

Postby Wufan » September 25th, 2011, 10:47 am

SycamoreFanatic wrote:Don't think for a minute that Jake doesn't have a pretty damned good supporting cast and a deep one at that. Again, I can't wait until this upcoming season plays out.



Jake Koch?
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Re: Official MVCfans 2011-12 prediction - 3rd place

Postby 2livewu » September 25th, 2011, 12:16 pm

Wufan wrote:Jake Koch?



Pay attention......Jake = GodOdumGod. :duel:
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Re: Official MVCfans 2011-12 prediction - 3rd place

Postby SycamorePsycho » September 25th, 2011, 2:30 pm

Aargh wrote:
Khan4Cats wrote:
SycamoreFanatic wrote:Holy crap.........................we better find a new point guard quick............Jake ain't got a chance anymore! Bet he makes your teams all work their a$$es off for the next three (3) years though while he is trying to hang in there.

:dance: :Beer:

I don't want to put words in Aargh's mouth, but I would bet he expects that the same kind of treatment is going to be given to Doug McDermott this year as well. I would think that most people just feel that Doug has a much stronger supporting cast to make up for anything that teams try and limit with him.

McDermott is in a different universe. I think coaches are going to just accept the fact that he's going to get his 20 and try to make sure no one else for CU goes off on them. I think the emphasis will be to hold McDermott to 20 and make sure he doesn't go for 30.

With what else CU has, if you concentrate too much D on McDermott, the rest of the team will just flat light you up. Odum doesn't have that kind of supporting cast. Young, Manigat, and Echinique have all earned respect and can't be ignored.



You're right the rest of our team is awful and should be completely written off...
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Re: Official MVCfans 2011-12 prediction - 3rd place

Postby PowderBlue » September 25th, 2011, 3:53 pm

I haven't read this entire thread as it's blown up, but just from looking at the last page or so it's pretty clear that there is just some silliness happening all around.

1. Indiana State is a much improved team over the ones of the previous 8 years. We've had some very good mid-major talent in that time (David Moss, Jay Tunnell, Harry Marshall), but two things kept those teams from being successful. One was the fact that the last 8 years (or at least the first 5 or 6 of the last 8) were some of the most successful in recent MVC history. Another was that those players never had enough of a consistent supporting cast to do anything. Even when Bird was at ISU, there were players around him that could contribute when other teams keyed on him.

2. Indiana State could win the MVC this year...but I don't think they will. I voted them third in this series of polls. The only way that I see state winning the MVC this year is if three big "IFs" happen. One is Kitchell coming in and producing at a very high level. Two is Justin Gant coming in and producing at a solid level as a true freshman. Three is RJ Mahurin learning how to play competently in the post. If all three of those things can happen, Carl can move to the 3 and ISU will have an extremely potent starting five and depth in both the front and back court along with the ability to spread the floor with 5 shooters or play a more traditional 3 Out-2 In motion - which is more of Lansing's bread and butter. The problem is, I don't know that I believe all three of those things will happen. ISU has a HORRENDOUS recent history of both recruiting and developing big men (Tunnell aside...and he really didn't take off until his senior year due to injury). Gant could be redshirted in order to let him develop more size, and RJ has never been a weight room guy...he's more of a perimeter post player.

3. ISU could finish outside the top 5 of the MVC...but unless injuries hurt the team, they won't. McWhorter had a few weeks where he disappeared last year, but he plays solid defense and is a competent ball handler when Odum needs a breather (or God forbid, gets hurt). Lathan should be fully healed, and hopefully a summer of rehab has given him time to figure out how to buy into the motion offense and play within it rather than complain about it. Our guard play overall should be enough to carry the season series vs. the bottom four in the conference, and while the interior play is suspect, Walker gives enough stability that you can't say ISU won't be able to at least compete with the top 3.

Just my .02 on what - I hope - turns out to be a continuation of last year for ISU. Intense play for the entire game with a focus on TEAM and not the individual. It was refreshing to see in Terre Haute, and can only make the conference better, IMO.
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Re: Official MVCfans 2011-12 prediction - 3rd place

Postby Sycamore_DevilDog » September 25th, 2011, 4:16 pm

I believe the Trees will be deeper than last year's team which was a big factor in last year's success. When Burnett signed last year Coach lansing said that Burnett reminded him of Weems(size and athletic ability).

Look for a lot of substitutions keeping players fresh.

On SycamorePride one of the posters recently posted a luncheon that he attended with Bob Knight and 3-4 others when Knight was in E'ville last weekend. Knight said that had he still been in the area, "I guarantee you that had I still been in the area, Odum would not be a Sycamore." In addition, he thought it would come down to the Sycamores and the Bluejays. He stated, "Look at the schedule. Evidently the MVC thinks that also." The last game of the season pits the Sycamores against the Bluejays at Hulman Center just like last years schedule had the Bears against the Shockers.........both tied for 1st place.

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