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Re: Catholic Basketball League

Postby TheAsianSensation » December 12th, 2012, 11:57 am

The more I look at the map, Creighton is just too much a geographical outlier by itself for an eastern-based conference. That kind of makes me lean towards there being a CU/WSU package, or neither.

Either that, or we're truly getting some kind of 20-24-30 team national blob of a conference that spans coast-to-coast.

Here's the other problem: TV contracts. TV money is going to be a big, big factor if the Catholics want to break away. They need the money to be there. So the TV folks are going to have a say in who to add, because the Catholics need every dollar to make this work.

So it's Creighton (Omaha) vs. St Louis, Butler (Indianapolis), Richmond (yes, Richmond over VCU), Xavier (Cincinnati), Dayton, Detroit, etc etc....Omaha is behind all of them on value to the television network. And Wichita for that matter.
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Re: Catholic Basketball League

Postby MVCfans » December 12th, 2012, 12:10 pm

Sources are now stating that Gonzaga would be interested in joining a new league as well.

While the Big East's seven non-FBS basketball schools are deciding what course of action to take next, there is one school that would love to be a part of any new conference or conglomerate: Gonzaga. Sources say the Zags would love to part with the West Coast Conference and be a member of a national, branded basketball conference


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Re: Catholic Basketball League

Postby MoValley John » December 12th, 2012, 12:33 pm

MVCfans wrote:Sources are now stating that Gonzaga would be interested in joining a new league as well.

While the Big East's seven non-FBS basketball schools are deciding what course of action to take next, there is one school that would love to be a part of any new conference or conglomerate: Gonzaga. Sources say the Zags would love to part with the West Coast Conference and be a member of a national, branded basketball conference


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Gonzaga being interested could change everything. In fact, I think that would strengthen Creighton's position, as a Catholic league that included Gonzaga would probably have to be a 16 team league. I would guess St Mary's goes along for the ride and maybe San Diego and San Francisco or school like that. It would leave a void for five more members at a minimum and Creighton would fit in nicely.

Still put this at 10-15% possibility. At most.
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Re: Catholic Basketball League

Postby agrinut » December 12th, 2012, 12:44 pm

The Pope just tweeted Creighton to the A10, only problem sent the invitation via sealed papal envelope for Father Lannon at his St. Joseph's address.
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Re: Catholic Basketball League

Postby SpiritedDrake » December 12th, 2012, 12:59 pm

This obsession with conference jumping is ridiculous. I have the same problems with Creighton being in the A-10 as Majerus did with SLU in the A-10. Travel time and expenses are ridiculous. These are student atheletes still, and is it really worth the possible extra money you'd make than it is to send your soccer players to an away game at the east coast and then another away game on the east coast 3 days later? Then repeat this with all of your sports. There's a reason conferences formed around geography.
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Re: Catholic Basketball League

Postby BCPanther » December 12th, 2012, 1:07 pm

SpiritedDrake wrote:This obsession with conference jumping is ridiculous. I have the same problems with Creighton being in the A-10 as Majerus did with SLU in the A-10. Travel time and expenses are ridiculous. These are student atheletes still, and is it really worth the possible extra money you'd make than it is to send your soccer players to an away game at the east coast and then another away game on the east coast 3 days later? Then repeat this with all of your sports. There's a reason conferences formed around geography.


LOL at anybody (university presidents included) caring about the student part of student athlete. There is too much money to be had by too many people at too many universities for anybody to give a damn about their acacdemic well being.

The vast majority of DI athletes are getting college degrees more or less by correspondence with 'tutors' doing a large percentage of the work. Its become such a money game that the fact we even call them 'student athletes' is somewhat laughable.

Gonzaga wanting a piece is a game changer, its another national name and gives that proposed league a chance to split into geographic divisions that operate more or less as two different leagues. It increases revenue while at the same time allowing the Big East Catholic Seven to more or less be their own league...
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Re: Catholic Basketball League

Postby MVCfans » December 12th, 2012, 1:26 pm

It sounds more and more like something is going to happen with the 7 non-football Big East schools. Whether or not that impacts the Valley, specifically Creighton, is debatable. There's been quite a bit written on the topic in the past couple of days.

Georgetown, DePaul, Marquette, St. John's, Providence, Seton Hall and Villanova still don't have a strong hand. They have to band together to get out of the Big East, in whatever form that takes, and they're small enough that they might have to join the Atlantic 10 to create the Biggest Conference Ever just to survive.

In the short term, it probably won't make up for the difference in money that they'll lose from whatever football contract the Big East would've generated.

But it's a step in the right direction, one that allows the dream of a super hoops league that culls the best of the Big East and A-10 while adding compelling others like Creighton and George Mason.

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Re: Catholic Basketball League

Postby CBB_Fan » December 12th, 2012, 1:29 pm

Gonzaga wanting in throws the equation out of whack. It marginalizes the problem of distance (good for Creighton/Wichita State), but definitely creates the possibility of a nationwide Catholic conference. Media market wise, it is basically the same as Wichita (~7000 viewer difference).

If Gonzaga is feasible, then the conference will almost certainly need to be 14-16 members, and large enough to extend coast to coast. St. Mary's will probably get an invite as well, and Creighton certainly would. As far as Wichita State, I can't tell right now. They would help branch the conference westward and play good enough basketball, but the conference would be almost entirely private Catholic schools (and there may not be room for a tag-along).

I think if Gonzaga gets in, the western division could end up looking like:

Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Saint Louis
Creighton
Marquette
DePaul
Dayton
Xavier

But I think the problem would be the extreme distances for the non-revenue sports. Can you imagine Georgetown sending all of its 23 sports teams to Gonzaga every year? The cost would probably be prohibitive. Heck, that would be fairly costly for Creighton.
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Re: Catholic Basketball League

Postby DoubleJayAlum » December 12th, 2012, 1:39 pm

MoValley John wrote:The speculation is fun, but at this point, the odds of Creighton or Wichita State being invited to any of this is remote. With that, civility in speculation, posturing and the occasional SWAG should rule the day.

I actually agree with the idea being remote. At the same time, I would say that it is "less" remote right now than it has been up to this point.
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Re: Catholic Basketball League

Postby CaliRdBrd » December 12th, 2012, 2:21 pm

Let's make it completely non-secular and divide up all the conferences based on religion.
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