NCAA Bracket Travesty

[Bear4Life]

Not that the RPI has done anything for us in the past, but you either use the computer numbers or you don't...Currently we are 40 on the RPI (warrennolan). You can't say well that RPI doesn't matter, and then say that our conference is ranked 12th and we didn't beat anyone in the top 50 when those numbers come from the same source...I'm not saying we are getting in, but with the extra spots and how soft the bubble is, I think we certainly deserve a look and maybe we can get in!

[bigdawg]

Not that the RPI has done anything for us in the past, but you either use the computer numbers or you don't...Currently we are 40 on the RPI (warrennolan). You can't say well that RPI doesn't matter, and then say that our conference is ranked 12th and we didn't beat anyone in the top 50 when those numbers come from the same source...I'm not saying we are getting in, but with the extra spots and how soft the bubble is, I think we certainly deserve a look and maybe we can get in!

I agree with you and that is why when the committee looks at MSU, your resume is damning. What is your record against teams who are in the tourney? Who is your best win? The answers to those questions should explain while you won't make it.

[SubGod22]

If everyone schedules better this isn't a problem. We need more top 100 RPI teams in conference to have better chances of multiple bids. Piss poor OOC scheduling and results cost us as a group opportunities at multiple bids. Either the schools need to suck it up and schedule better or Elgin needs to bring back the 150 rule. As soon as we did away with that, we declined as a conference. It's no secret on how to get this conference back to where it was and get multiple bids.

I'm sure most of this has been said somewhere in this thread, but I chose not to read thru it all.

[jlandrus11]

If everyone schedules better this isn't a problem. We need more top 100 RPI teams in conference to have better chances of multiple bids. Piss poor OOC scheduling and results cost us as a group opportunities at multiple bids. Either the schools need to suck it up and schedule better or Elgin needs to bring back the 150 rule. As soon as we did away with that, we declined as a conference. It's no secret on how to get this conference back to where it was and get multiple bids.

I'm sure most of this has been said somewhere in this thread, but I chose not to read thru it all.

If your team would have scheduled better you might have a shot at getting in. Your team needs to take care of their own business and not worry about what the other MVC schools are doing. It just comes down to taking care of your own business which they didn't do in the MVC tournament and the regular season which will cost them an at-large bid. That is all.

[SubGod22]

If everyone schedules better this isn't a problem. We need more top 100 RPI teams in conference to have better chances of multiple bids. Piss poor OOC scheduling and results cost us as a group opportunities at multiple bids. Either the schools need to suck it up and schedule better or Elgin needs to bring back the 150 rule. As soon as we did away with that, we declined as a conference. It's no secret on how to get this conference back to where it was and get multiple bids.

I'm sure most of this has been said somewhere in this thread, but I chose not to read thru it all.

If your team would have scheduled better you might have a shot at getting in. Your team needs to take care of their own business and not worry about what the other MVC schools are doing. It just comes down to taking care of your own business which they didn't do in the MVC tournament and the regular season which will cost them an at-large bid. That is all.

And I have said many times that WSU needs to schedule better. But I also believe they ended up with the strongest OOC SOS of the MVC. And I really don't give that much of a $#!+ about the rest of the league and who makes it in. But if the talk is about getting more Valley teams in, EVERYONE needs to schedule better so we have more QUALITY opponents in conference. That's how the BcS conferences get the edge over conferences like ours. That's how we got 4 teams in back in '06. Sure, the rest of the league can continue to schedule like piss and just hope to get hot and win 3 in STL, or we can all schedule better and have better chances of getting multiple teams in.

[DieHardMSUFan]

That's how the BcS conferences get the edge over conferences like ours.

WROOOONG. Look at the OOC schedules of the BCS conferences...they are a joke and for most of them are not even as strong as ours. Their edge comes from playing each other in conference over and over. The Big East is looking at 11 bids because they have 7 teams in the top 25, which helps the other 4 teams get in. Just go look at those teams OOC schedules....it is amazing how bad those schedules are. They build up wins playing nobodies, then go around .500 in conference and get in the dance....that is what we cannot do.

BTW, didn't MSU go on the road against Tenn and OK St? Wouldn't a win at either place have them in the dance right now? I don't know why everyone is saying they did not schedule to get in the tourney, they just did not win the games that set them up to get in.

[Snaggletooth]

If your team would have scheduled better you might have a shot at getting in. Your team needs to take care of their own business and not worry about what the other MVC schools are doing. It just comes down to taking care of your own business which they didn't do in the MVC tournament and the regular season which will cost them an at-large bid. That is all.

That is the perfect mentality if you want the MVC to be consistently a 1-bid league. When most of your schedule is conference games, then conference play becomes very important. That is why BCS team know they can play a weak non-conference.

MSU is being severly hampered by the overall quality the MVC schedule and actual results on the court. Their win of the regular season MVC championship has what normally would be a automatic at-large to becoming irrelevant.

The 2006 MVC NCAA breakthrough happened because every team in the conference played quality opponents and won. Even though indiana st sucked it up in the MVC they had some quality wins (indiana and butler). There were no real teams in the MVC that year that sucked the life out a teams RPI like this year. There are 4 200+ RPI team in the MVC compared to 1 in 2006.

I have seen the argument that it wouldn't have mattered if the conference had played tougher schedule because they still would have lost. But I know this if you leave your putt short, it has no chance to go in the hole - so why not go for the hole? What is there to lose?

BTW, I read that Elgin said the league will not manadate any type of league requirements. The league as a whole doesn't want to try and compete.

[jlandrus11]

If your team takes care of their own business and wins games, then they don't have to worry about the other teams in the MVC. It's just that simple, win your games and don't worry about anybody else.

[SubGod22]

That's how the BcS conferences get the edge over conferences like ours.

WROOOONG. Look at the OOC schedules of the BCS conferences...they are a joke and for most of them are not even as strong as ours. Their edge comes from playing each other in conference over and over. The Big East is looking at 11 bids because they have 7 teams in the top 25, which helps the other 4 teams get in. Just go look at those teams OOC schedules....it is amazing how bad those schedules are. They build up wins playing nobodies, then go around .500 in conference and get in the dance....that is what we cannot do.

BTW, didn't MSU go on the road against Tenn and OK St? Wouldn't a win at either place have them in the dance right now? I don't know why everyone is saying they did not schedule to get in the tourney, they just did not win the games that set them up to get in.

Their schedules are good enough to put a number of them in the top 100 of the RPI. That's what I'm getting at. I guess if you want to be like the Big East we should have 3 or 4 schools schedule well and hope that brings along the others. If ALL the teams scheduled so poorly it wouldn't help when they played each other. I know RPI isn't everything, but it's still a factor. ISUr wins a bunch of games against the worst OOC in the country and their RPI still wasn't good. I think we had 3 schools with top 150 OOC schedules? The rest were around 200 or worst I think. That's unacceptable. One, it doesn't do those schools any good and guarantees the only way in is to get hot in STL. Two, it doesn't do other tournament type teams in the conference any good as there's no benefit from playing those schools as it only hurts the resume.

MSU didn't schedule poorly, but didn't get the results. That was in my first post about schedules and results.

[MSUDuo]

If your team takes care of their own business and wins games, then they don't have to worry about the other teams in the MVC. It's just that simple, win your games and don't worry about anybody else.

And it would still be a one-bid league. That is his point...