Wichita State vs Temple

[Red]

WSU gave that game to Temple no way around it.

This.

[Snaggletooth]

This WSU team is reminding me of a CU team from a few year ago that had high expectation but lost some non-conference games (including one late they should have won) and in this adversity chemistry problems emerged and their whole season ultimately was a disappointment.

I think WSU is in the same place - there are obviously some chemistry/ego/confidence problems on this team and if they don't get them worked out rather quickly this WSU team is probably a middle of the pack MVC team. If they get it corrected then there is plenty of season left with other opportunities.

[shock]

Its not the job of WSU and CU to ensure that other teams with puss schedules get bids. That is why WSU and CU sack up, or try as hard as they can to, in the non-con. WSU played or will play Colorado, Alabama, Temple, UAB, UNLV, Tulsa, and Utah State. Thats 7 good, big Non Con games. CU played or will play UAB, Iowa, SDSU, Nebraska, Tulsa, and Northwestern. Thats 6 good Non Con. UNI plays ODU, St. Marys, Rice, Iowa St, and Iowa.Thats 5 good games. Hell, Evansville can schedule Butler, Indiana, TCU, North Carolina, Miami (OH). Thats 5. But then you look at the rest:
ISU-R- Rutgers
ISU-B- Tech, Boise State and Vandy
Bradley- Wisconsin and Michigan
SIU- SLU, KSU
Drake- Iowa St, Virginia, Boise St, Iowa (pretty solid)
MSU- St. Marys, New Mexico, Tulsa, WV

So you look at the list and you say, "Wait, shock. That looks pretty good for the MVC." Then you look at the cupcake games scheduled.
CU- 5
DU- 3
MSU- 5
ISU-R- 8
ISU-B- 5
SIU- 6
UNI- 6
EU- 4
BU- 9
WSU- 2

I'm sorry, but WSU is on the right track with SOS, as are DU and EU. If teams want this to be a multi-bid conference then they will have to step up the scheduling. Look at SIU. Lowery is on the hot seat, and its getting hotter. He is scheduling to put more Ws in the column, not to get into the NCAA. Marshall is scheduling to build an NCAA resume. Say what you want about his attitude, about fans, about cry baby players, but HCGM will be dancing while the rest will be knitting because of his tenacious scheduling.

The next step with the Non Con SOS is to win those games. Marshall apparently is not focused on making sure he has a job at the end of the season. Because of that he is able to schedule all the big boys with balls enough to play WSU, not because WSU is this big scary juggernaut, but because a loss to WSU could hurt their dancing chances and WSU is the type of team that could win any game any given night. In the PR, they were sloppy and out of sync, but were fighting right down to the wire. Granted, they have a LOT to figure out, but in playing those teams, WSU has put themselves into contention for an at large bid.

People get their panties in a wad because WSU isn't winning these games, which will hurt the other teams in the valley when said teams are glanced at for an at large. Until the ENTIRE valley cranks up the SOS, the MVC will continue to be a 1-2 bid conference.

And the leeches of the conference do NOTHING to help. When the MVC has cupcake teams just trying to survive it significantly hurts the rest of the teams actually trying to get in the Dance. Its hard enough to get big name teams to play valley teams which leads to scheduling cupcakes, and with cupcake teams in the valley that you play twice, it can take a toll on the SOC.

Anyway, I'll crawl back into black hole i came from and if you don't like what i posted, i dont care, because i wont be reading whats posted after this. See ya on New Years.

[Haha]

there are obviously some chemistry/ego/confidence problems on this team

Do tell, what makes it "obvious" that there are chemistry/ego/confidence issues ?

I would argue to hold off on any evaluation until after the non con is complete. They lost to Alabama (so would everybody else in the Valley) and in overtime to Temple which is disappointing as WSU looked to be the better team yesterday but still nothing to fill the pants over.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Shock,

Creighton also a game at St Josephs, who looks pretty good so far, on the schedule.

[xsaluki]

I think the shocks will only improve as the season goes... I didn't see chemistry issues, but I saw a bit of timing issues, also some guys shooting shots that were better taken by someone else.. early season things..

As far as RPI, this doesn't influence the RPI more than the super low RPI teams in this conference. ahem. southern. cough cough. In the direction we are heading, we are going to be a poison pill to everyone's RPI, people are going to dread playing us for an entirely different reason...

[BEARZ77]

Shock,
You can't be trying to say MSU didn't schedule at the level of CU/WSU can you? By most preseason ratings MSU was seen as having one of the toughest 1 -2 schedules in the league, while CU's is fair but not at that level as neither NW, Iowa or Nebraska are significant BCS basketball programs. For MSU you overlooked Oklahoma State and we are playing pretty decent teams like Nevada, ORU, ASU , New Mexico, on the road along with neutral games vs St Mary's/ W. Virginia and home games vs Tulsa and Okie St. . Sorry but you flat missed it when you tried to paint our schedule as inferior to WSU/CU. If you're going to claim Colorado and UAB , then certainly Nevada and ORU as true road games are in the discussion along with a true roadie at New Mexico, and the 4 games of St Mary's[ who killed UNI] W.Virgina,Okie St and Tulsa. That's seven games also. You're gonna have to pull out something else cause the " we scheduled tougher than you" card ain't getting it.

[BirdmanBB]

Its not the job of WSU and CU to ensure that other teams with puss schedules get bids. That is why WSU and CU sack up, or try as hard as they can to, in the non-con. WSU played or will play Colorado, Alabama, Temple, UAB, UNLV, Tulsa, and Utah State. Thats 7 good, big Non Con games. CU played or will play UAB, Iowa, SDSU, Nebraska, Tulsa, and Northwestern. Thats 6 good Non Con. UNI plays ODU, St. Marys, Rice, Iowa St, and Iowa.Thats 5 good games. Hell, Evansville can schedule Butler, Indiana, TCU, North Carolina, Miami (OH). Thats 5. But then you look at the rest:
ISU-R- Rutgers
ISU-B- Tech, Boise State and Vandy
Bradley- Wisconsin and Michigan
SIU- SLU, KSU
Drake- Iowa St, Virginia, Boise St, Iowa (pretty solid)
MSU- St. Marys, New Mexico, Tulsa, WV

So you look at the list and you say, "Wait, shock. That looks pretty good for the MVC." Then you look at the cupcake games scheduled.
CU- 5
DU- 3
MSU- 5
ISU-R- 8
ISU-B- 5
SIU- 6
UNI- 6
EU- 4
BU- 9
WSU- 2

I'm sorry, but WSU is on the right track with SOS, as are DU and EU. If teams want this to be a multi-bid conference then they will have to step up the scheduling. Look at SIU. Lowery is on the hot seat, and its getting hotter. He is scheduling to put more Ws in the column, not to get into the NCAA. Marshall is scheduling to build an NCAA resume. Say what you want about his attitude, about fans, about cry baby players, but HCGM will be dancing while the rest will be knitting because of his tenacious scheduling.

The next step with the Non Con SOS is to win those games. Marshall apparently is not focused on making sure he has a job at the end of the season. Because of that he is able to schedule all the big boys with balls enough to play WSU, not because WSU is this big scary juggernaut, but because a loss to WSU could hurt their dancing chances and WSU is the type of team that could win any game any given night. In the PR, they were sloppy and out of sync, but were fighting right down to the wire. Granted, they have a LOT to figure out, but in playing those teams, WSU has put themselves into contention for an at large bid.

People get their panties in a wad because WSU isn't winning these games, which will hurt the other teams in the valley when said teams are glanced at for an at large. Until the ENTIRE valley cranks up the SOS, the MVC will continue to be a 1-2 bid conference.

And the leeches of the conference do NOTHING to help. When the MVC has cupcake teams just trying to survive it significantly hurts the rest of the teams actually trying to get in the Dance. Its hard enough to get big name teams to play valley teams which leads to scheduling cupcakes, and with cupcake teams in the valley that you play twice, it can take a toll on the SOC.

Anyway, I'll crawl back into black hole i came from and if you don't like what i posted, i dont care, because i wont be reading whats posted after this. See ya on New Years.

Contradict yourself much? You can't have it both ways. You say that it's not the job of WSU to help others get bids and then turn around and complain about other teams scheduling hurting the valley. It's on each individual team to determine their own destiny.

I'm definitely not a fan of how my team schedules, but if we don't win the games that we should then it is on us, not the rest of the valley. Simply put, if we don't win, then we don't belong. I think that is fair enough to say for any NCAA team. I think the loss to Temple could come back to bite WSU, but that is by their doing, not the rest of the valleys. It is on them to determine their outcome. If they can't beat teams that they should in order to be considered, maybe WSU is not as good as we initially thought and therefore don't belong in the conversation at the end. Also, if a "valley leech" with a bad RPI beats WSU then that fault goes to WSU, not the valley leech. Again, it is (a) up to WSU to determine their own destiny and (b) if they aren't winning games that they should, then it is obvious that maybe they aren't good enough to be in the conversation as teams who do get in who win the games that they should or need to.

Can we now call WSU a valley leech since it will take crucial wins in conference to be considered in the at-large conversation?

You still have time and games still need to be played, so who knows what will happen.

Hope you come back and see this on New Years.



P.S. and what do you mean the redbirds only have 1 quality game on our schedule. After Rutgers we play Richmond or Illinois and we even have two top 25 games scheduled against Creighton (I hope you get the sarcasm)

[FeartheQ]

Shock,
You can't be trying to say MSU didn't schedule at the level of CU/WSU can you? By most preseason ratings MSU was seen as having one of the toughest 1 -2 schedules in the league, while CU's is fair but not at that level as neither NW, Iowa or Nebraska are significant BCS basketball programs. For MSU you overlooked Oklahoma State and we are playing pretty decent teams like Nevada, ORU, ASU , New Mexico, on the road along with neutral games vs St Mary's/ W. Virginia and home games vs Tulsa and Okie St. . Sorry but you flat missed it when you tried to paint our schedule as inferior to WSU/CU. If you're going to claim Colorado and UAB , then certainly Nevada and ORU as true road games are in the discussion along with a true roadie at New Mexico, and the 4 games of St Mary's[ who killed UNI] W.Virgina,Okie St and Tulsa. That's seven games also. You're gonna have to pull out something else cause the " we scheduled tougher than you" card ain't getting it.

This. Do not even attempt to say that Wichita State and Creighton have a schedule that is head and shoulders over teams like MSU, Also, if you are including Boise State as a good game then you may want to include @ Nevada (predicted to win WAC), @ Ark St (predicted to win SBC), @ Oral Roberts (predicted to win Summit), vs. OK State (not great, but better than a lot of other BCS teams that are being played) in MSU's top games.

[Snaggletooth]

there are obviously some chemistry/ego/confidence problems on this team

Do tell, what makes it "obvious" that there are chemistry/ego/confidence issues ?.

Well if you are questioning my keen observatory skills then go listen to the post game show where Stutz admitted that there was a chemistry issue on the team.