MVC Week 8

[Ricardo del Rio]

It's almost as if two fan bases have different perspectives of the game influenced by their natural biases.



The two Ts were pretty surreal though. Some magic words must've been said, but even then, those were soft. And the review and flagrant were bizarre. All those calls were pretty immediate game-changers, and all borderline at best. I was pretty much okay with all of the "normal" calls though.

Bradley more or less played a league leader on the road to a stalemate. Let's run it back in a Valley semifinal.

Always pay attention to this poster.

[agernes]

Interesting discusaion over here. As a Bradley fan, I was pretty livid last night as it seemed loke we were playin 8 on 5. After 2 technicals in 1 minutes time, and then to change a foul called on Drake to an intentional foul on Bradley really seems like a fix is in.

Some Drake fans were asking about which fouls were not fouls. I think most Bradley fans were more frustrated with the lack of calling the game tight on both ends. Bradley is getting grabbed and bumped a lot and not many calls. A perfect example is right before the half. Brummet makes a steal and starts dribbling down court and gets mugged twice and no call which leads to Drake layup at buzzer.

At half time I was thinking Bradley just needs to stop fouling and we will win the game. Then when you get 2 technicals in a minute, just amplifies the issue with free throw disparity.

And despite all this Bradley had a chance to win the game at the end. Brown missed a 3 with 2 minutes left that would have made it a 1 point game and childs missed an easy one in the lane with 1 minute left that would have made it 2 point game.

Do give Drake credit for making 31 of 36 free throws. That is really good and won them the game

This is where I disagree. The game was called pretty tight on both ends. Noah Thomas had to sit early in the second half because of a ticky tack call. McGlynn got called for the and-1 on the allyoop in a very ticky-tack situation.

Here's the deal: Bradley is a *much* more handsy team than Drake. Bradley is 8th in the conference in defensive free throw rate. Drake is first. Bradley plays more physical, bumps a lot more. They might get away with it at home or even in a neutral St. Louis environment, but on the road against a team that moves the ball very quickly to open players, they were caught a step behind several times.

Also, Wardle was jawing with the ref constantly. He was very stiff, non-flamboyant about it. But he was jawing. They lost followed their coaches lead and lost their composure because they were getting called on a lot of their physicality and they weren't used to it.

The free throw disparity is being completely overblown. Bradley had FIVE and-1s last night. If they missed those baskets, they're shooting 14 FTs instead of nine. Take away the six intentional FTs at the end of the night for Drake and assume Bradley keeps their composure and doesn't get technicals/flagrants, the FT margin is 14-24. That's very reasonable for a margin that assumes Bradley is going to send teams more often to the line than Drake is because they're much more physical and handsy defensively.

There was certainly a little home-cooking, but it wasn't anything more egregious than a typical Valley home cook is. Also, it isn't as if Drake had everything go their way. In addition to the ticky-tack calls on Drake I mentioned, let's not forget Robbins got elbowed in the face to the point of blood and there was no call (photo below, there is blood for those who are wary)

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Do you have video of the elbow to the face? Childs kept rubbing the back of his head on the next possession.

What it looked like in realtime to me sitting 15 feet in front of it. I was behind the basket there on the Drake bench side.

That, however, is not the main gist of the post.

[veeny009]

For anyone getting worked up about the foul change and flagrant on review - That's a point of emphasis this year, there's nothing nefarious about it.

I'll let you argue about the rest of the game all you want, but agernes had some good points

[municup14]

So does anybody know if any of the officials were the ones that
Evansville coach said sucked.Then 2 weeks later at Indiana St.
one of those officials tossed Mc Carty out of the game

[DUBulldog]

It's almost as if two fan bases have different perspectives of the game influenced by their natural biases.

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Definitely the best post in this thread.

As soon as I looked at the box score after the game, I saw the 36-9 FT discrepancy, and I knew that BU fans would comment on it.....I was not prepared for how much they would focus on it. Reading both Bradley boards, a lot of the fans were complaining about the officiating starting in the first half. The fouls were pretty even for much of the first half....the difference was that every foul against Bradley was a shooting foul leading to lots of FTs for Drake.

[bcg]

Reading both Bradley boards, a lot of the fans were complaining about the officiating starting in the first half.

The non-call right at the end of the first half was terrible. So as a fan watching on tv, you rewind it, see it again and then vent on the message board.

Part of the problem is that the refs have been letting them play lately in the Bradley games. The refs could have called 10x more fouls in the Bradley/Loyola game last week.

[ValleyFAN]

Maybe I'm wrong here but It looks like Wardle just said "that's stupid" in relation to the call, which shouldnt warrant a technical foul at all.

[hot nuts]

I didn't see the game. I know Drake is pretty quick, did Bradley just have a hard time keeping up and end up bumping and slapping guys on shots?

[TheAsianSensation]

So does anybody know if any of the officials were the ones that
Evansville coach said sucked.Then 2 weeks later at Indiana St.
one of those officials tossed Mc Carty out of the game

According to our board, Heimerman.

[tribecalledquest]

It's almost as if two fan bases have different perspectives of the game influenced by their natural biases.

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Definitely the best post in this thread.

As soon as I looked at the box score after the game, I saw the 36-9 FT discrepancy, and I knew that BU fans would comment on it.....I was not prepared for how much they would focus on it. Reading both Bradley boards, a lot of the fans were complaining about the officiating starting in the first half. The fouls were pretty even for much of the first half....the difference was that every foul against Bradley was a shooting foul leading to lots of FTs for Drake.

I hardly ever notice officiating. Or make it a point of noticing it. Last night I did. That's how bad I thought it was.

Now...some of this is a strength issue. You bump Noah Thomas he goes flying. Same with Ellingson. Darrell Brown is built like a tank. As is DLO. You hit those guys and the effect isn't the same. Guys have been "punished" for years for being strong and taking hits. LeBron gets killed every game but doesn't get to the line as much as he should.

So my point is--the contact was the same in the game. Drake just got more of the calls for whatever reason. It wasn't biased. The officials didn't have it out for anyone. I think either Drake sells fouls better or the contact affects them more.

The two technicals were ridiculous.

That said Devries has done an amazing job. Also, Ellingson is way better than I thought he would be and McGlynn has turned into a first team guy and I never would have said that two years ago. Im also impressed with the freshman Robbins.