MVC - Basketball Players in the 2020 Transfer Portal

[AcesAces]

The type of hire that you are desiring, younger, more potential upside and appeal to recruits, fails more times that it succeeds. McCarty is Exhibit 1. There are many, many more failures than success. The Brad Stevens' are not out there in 1,000s.

McCarthy is not Exhibit 1. He was an Exhibit from out in left field.

He is pretty much what patnb is thinking UE should have hired as coach. He had many extras bonuses such as being a hometown hero, ex-NBA player and assistant coach and good at selling the program.

[patnb]

The type of hire that you are desiring, younger, more potential upside and appeal to recruits, fails more times that it succeeds. McCarty is Exhibit 1. There are many, many more failures than success. The Brad Stevens' are not out there in 1,000s.

McCarthy is not Exhibit 1. He was an Exhibit from out in left field.

He is pretty much what patnb is thinking UE should have hired as coach. He had many extras bonuses such as being a hometown hero, ex-NBA player and assistant coach and good at selling the program.

He is not what I am thinking.

In fact, I thought the McCarty hire was a bad hire when it happened and honestly, his tenure played out pretty close to what I would have thought. Not that I expected it to end with him being a sexual predator to the point the university couldn't protect him because he knocked up a cheerleader, but ending in a spectacularly fiery ending is what would have been expected by me.


His age does play a part of it. He's 65. I get others are older, but they are legends of the game. Todd is a guy who rode a program built by others and transfers and then was a failure of epic proportions when he was tasked with building a program with unlimited resources.

Todd was the safe choice. Todd was the choice for maintaining everything Evansville has done for decades. It wasn't showing ambition. It was showing that "we took one chance and rather than looking at what we didn't get right with that chance and moving forward we are going to go straight back to someone that is safe, easy, and is what we already know"

The last time Todd got any kind of positive result from a program he's been involved in was 14 or so years ago when he rode a roster of transfers, and not kids he had to recruit and develop.

Hell, look at the NAIA program he was at. Was a final four type team in the NAIA, he got there and for two years they were under .500, and within 2 years after him leaving were back to a final four type program

He left Butler and they made title games
He took Iowa to the laughing stock of the P5 world - and even most of the MM world. New coach comes in and within a couple years has then back into the top 25 and NCAA tournaments.

[AcesAces]

His age has nothing to do with anything. He was an important part of the Butler program. His failure at Iowa has nothing to do with his job at UE. UE is not Iowa and the MVC is not the Big 10. There is no shame in doing well at a mid-major, Butler, and then failing at a P5 school that is in one of the best conferences in the nation.

Moser struggled at Illinois State. He stuck with it and got another head coaching job at Loyola. There, he has done well. He is a bit younger than Lickliter but again, age is not really relevant. Successful people tend to learn from their failures.

UE tried your ambition route and the program has struggled under each coach except Jim Crews and Dick Walters. Lickliter is an excellent hire for UE and almost any mid-major program.

[BigMacAttack]

Is hiring a 65 year old coach who hasn't done anything of note in well over a decade that runs an out of date offense than Ben Jacobson thinks is boring and slow

Public domain or just your opinion?

[municup14]

Back to DeAndre transferring, what has happened is his Academy coach has contacted him and has talked him in to transferring. He has told him he is a point foward and he can't flourish in a stagnant offense.When walt was the coach compared to TL there is a 6pt difference in offensive scoring.He wants to ride DeAndres coat tail thinking he will be in the NBA

[Purple35]

To the point that transfers don't hurt the mid-majors, I'd disagree on one point only.
If a program in the Valley is trying to sell its team to the fans, they start earlier than the first game of the season. They market it based on the potential. If a program is riddled with transfers, fans are going to be more wary of buying season tickets for a team that might suck.

For the power 5 programs like the Big 10 or the ACC, they don't need to fret losing a key player or two. They already have 13,000 tickets sold and a TV contract that's pinned to football and national recognition.

As far as the teams go, yeah ... it doesn't mean one team is going to fall flat or soar to great heights, but there is something to be said for selling a team based on players the fans recognize, instead of a whole new cast of unknowns. Evansville will have at least 6 new faces on a team that already has no identity.

If this trend continues, the NCAA will have to concede that the instant transfer isn't for the good of the fans, it's for the good of Duke, Kansas, Michigan and Villanova.

[ACECARD]

To the point that transfers don't hurt the mid-majors, I'd disagree on one point only.
If a program in the Valley is trying to sell its team to the fans, they start earlier than the first game of the season. They market it based on the potential. If a program is riddled with transfers, fans are going to be more wary of buying season tickets for a team that might suck.

For the power 5 programs like the Big 10 or the ACC, they don't need to fret losing a key player or two. They already have 13,000 tickets sold and a TV contract that's pinned to football and national recognition.

As far as the teams go, yeah ... it doesn't mean one team is going to fall flat or soar to great heights, but there is something to be said for selling a team based on players the fans recognize, instead of a whole new cast of unknowns. Evansville will have at least 6 new faces on a team that already has no identity.

If this trend continues, the NCAA will have to concede that the instant transfer isn't for the good of the fans, it's for the good of Duke, Kansas, Michigan and Villanova.

Nice post. Agree all the way.

[tribecalledquest]

To the point that transfers don't hurt the mid-majors, I'd disagree on one point only.
If a program in the Valley is trying to sell its team to the fans, they start earlier than the first game of the season. They market it based on the potential. If a program is riddled with transfers, fans are going to be more wary of buying season tickets for a team that might suck.

For the power 5 programs like the Big 10 or the ACC, they don't need to fret losing a key player or two. They already have 13,000 tickets sold and a TV contract that's pinned to football and national recognition.

As far as the teams go, yeah ... it doesn't mean one team is going to fall flat or soar to great heights, but there is something to be said for selling a team based on players the fans recognize, instead of a whole new cast of unknowns. Evansville will have at least 6 new faces on a team that already has no identity.

If this trend continues, the NCAA will have to concede that the instant transfer isn't for the good of the fans, it's for the good of Duke, Kansas, Michigan and Villanova.

The instant transfer rule (or same rule as every other college student) is right by the players. That’s what matters.

[BEARZ77]

The instant transfer rule (or same rule as every other college student) is right by the players. That’s what matters.

I keep seeing that argument, but it's weak in my opinion, because it's not the same. No one is saying that these STUDENTS can't leave and attend any University they want or can get accepted at. They have the same freedom as any other student does. Playing college athletics is a privilege not a right; that "other" student who transfers doesn't get to say , oh and by the way I want to be on the basketball team when I transfer from Drake to Iowa State. As with most special privileges, it comes with separate rules. Additionally that "other student" hasn't had everything from housing to tuition to meals to extra academic support services paid for in most cases. The University that that "privileged" athlete is transferring from has spent anywhere from $20,000 to considerably more in the training of that person both in their academic field as well in athletics, while that "other student" has paid for theirs. In the real world if a company is paying for your advanced training, you usually sign an agreement stating a certain amount of years of service you are expected to give that company for that advanced training or that you pay it back if you breach that contract.

So anyway, I just find that argument weak. All students have the same freedom of movement for academic pursuit at any University they can get accepted at including athletes.

[tribecalledquest]

The instant transfer rule (or same rule as every other college student) is right by the players. That’s what matters.

I keep seeing that argument, but it's weak in my opinion, because it's not the same. No one is saying that these STUDENTS can't leave and attend any University they want or can get accepted at. They have the same freedom as any other student does. Playing college athletics is a privilege not a right; that "other" student who transfers doesn't get to say , oh and by the way I want to be on the basketball team when I transfer from Drake to Iowa State. As with most special privileges, it comes with separate rules. Additionally that "other student" hasn't had everything from housing to tuition to meals to extra academic support services paid for in most cases. The University that that "privileged" athlete is transferring from has spent anywhere from $20,000 to considerably more in the training of that person both in their academic field as well in athletics, while that "other student" has paid for theirs. In the real world if a company is paying for your advanced training, you usually sign an agreement stating a certain amount of years of service you are expected to give that company for that advanced training or that you pay it back if you breach that contract.

So anyway, I just find that argument weak. All students have the same freedom of movement for academic pursuit at any University they can get accepted at including athletes.

It's not a privilege at all. They earn the scholarship. It isn't given to them at random.

Universities spend scholarship money on engineering students. They spend scholarship money on business students. On musicians. On pre med students. All of them can transfer without any punishment.

Why do fans see athletes as someone who should be super grateful for the scholarship they earned - and they should just bow down to the school that gave it to them? Especially if they don't feel the same way about someone on an academic scholarship.

Want the "special privilege?" - be better at basketball.