2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby Bjhracer » May 27th, 2022, 6:26 pm

I think it would be great if they would seed the top 8 in each region. Then blind draw all of the 1st round opponents. Kind of like tennis majors. Would make a great tourney.
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby BEARZ77 » May 28th, 2022, 7:08 am

tribecalledquest wrote:The selection criteria is flawed. Of course it is. But coming up with an alternative that works better isn't that easy either.


"Flawed" is a very subjective term depending on what the goal is. The RPI is flawed, but it became "too flawed" when it didn't deliver the desired outcome of mediocre P5's making the tourney in large enough numbers. Yet it delivered some of the best NCAA tourneys we've seen by sprinkling as many as 8-10 mid majors in the at large field. The powers that be decided it had to go when the MVC put the same #of teams in as the ACC and should have had 2 more . The NET is flawed , it was supposed to replace the RPI as the main criteria used, but it also by itself couldn't do what they wanted, so now is used only as a comparative ranking system for establishing the parameters of who is a Q1 ,Q2 etc. But Quality wins does what they wanted better than anything else, because it's already limiting aspects narrows the field quite nicely to only those teams with access to certain types of games. So I doubt we hear too much about it being flawed , because it's doing what the desired outcome was better than anything else they could come up with, other than, which is the next step, eliminating certain levels of teams altogether from consideration.

It doesn't have to be as difficult as we make it . First, to me, start with the obvious which is emphasize winning . Now you say that and many say, well then teams could just schedule weak and win a lot of games . But again start with the obvious, the common [ not equal] denominator all teams have is a conference race, which is far more reflective of the quality of a team than a 3 day tourney. Three day tourneys are a common denominator , but much less reflective of the totality of a team than a conference race. No team winning a 16-22 game conference race should be denied a NCAA Tourney slot. Second, emphasize winning by setting minimum conference winning percentages for at large consideration. Again, you are not even looking at noncon and weak scheduling here, but at that part of the schedule no team has control over, so how did they do . Sure , P5's conference schedules are tougher, but that just helps to answer questions about comparison against [ and here's a biggie] LIKE COMPETITION" . We already know when playing a high level of competition that a team from the P5 is either really good , mediocre, or bad. Why would you ever put KNOWN mediocre or bad teams in the tourney. What we need to find out is how good that team that didn't have that opportunity, but played at a high level all year is, by now giving them a chance against "LIKE COMPETITION" . That's what the early rounds of the tourney are supposed to do , answer questions that the regular season couldn't. I already know after the regular season where say Mississippi St or Indiana is in relation to their peers if they were .500 in conference and 7th place; what I don't know is where Loyola or Murray St is against that same group, after being superior against their conference. Anyway, flawed is relative to what you want done.
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby BCPanther » May 31st, 2022, 8:51 pm

UIC is playing in an MTE with Fordham, Holy Cross and Stonehill.

Woof. All kinds of woof.
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby RacerJoeD » June 1st, 2022, 9:24 am

They should win that
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby Chuck A » June 1st, 2022, 12:21 pm

BCPanther wrote:UIC is playing in an MTE with Fordham, Holy Cross and Stonehill.

Woof. All kinds of woof.

Come on! It is what it is. It's not like we were kicking ass and taking names. I don't know how these MTEs go (Some program invites and you accept; a number of programs invite and you choose?), but the Flames took a chance to get 3 D1 games which includes an A-10 team.

And like RacerJoeD said and I concur, "They should win that".
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby Action10 » June 1st, 2022, 5:32 pm

Chuck A wrote:
BCPanther wrote:UIC is playing in an MTE with Fordham, Holy Cross and Stonehill.

Woof. All kinds of woof.

Come on! It is what it is. It's not like we were kicking ass and taking names. I don't know how these MTEs go (Some program invites and you accept; a number of programs invite and you choose?), but the Flames took a chance to get 3 D1 games which includes an A-10 team.

And like RacerJoeD said and I concur, "They should win that".

Just to hear some other opinions... With the teams that aren't scheduling up and feel like they aren't ready for a high level MTE, should they schedule an MTE with 3 low or mid majors or should they try to get in a split-bracket MTE where they will play a buy game on the road and then against a couple of low or mid majors?
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby BCPanther » June 1st, 2022, 6:00 pm

Action10 wrote:
Chuck A wrote:
BCPanther wrote:UIC is playing in an MTE with Fordham, Holy Cross and Stonehill.

Woof. All kinds of woof.

Come on! It is what it is. It's not like we were kicking ass and taking names. I don't know how these MTEs go (Some program invites and you accept; a number of programs invite and you choose?), but the Flames took a chance to get 3 D1 games which includes an A-10 team.

And like RacerJoeD said and I concur, "They should win that".

Just to hear some other opinions... With the teams that aren't scheduling up and feel like they aren't ready for a high level MTE, should they schedule an MTE with 3 low or mid majors or should they try to get in a split-bracket MTE where they will play a buy game on the road and then against a couple of low or mid majors?


Take the split. Those losses and neutral court wins are better in the long run. Not a great choice either way.
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby BCPanther » June 2nd, 2022, 1:11 pm

UNI has signed a home and home with South Florida. First game in Cedar Falls this December and a return to Tampa in 23-24.

Two A10s, ACC, AAC and MAC already on the schedule. Good schedules can be put together in our league if you're willing to do it.
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby Action10 » June 2nd, 2022, 6:48 pm

BCPanther wrote:UNI has signed a home and home with South Florida. First game in Cedar Falls this December and a return to Tampa in 23-24.

Two A10s, ACC, AAC and MAC already on the schedule. Good schedules can be put together in our league if you're willing to do it.

"...if you're willing to do it..." is the key to the whole thing. I understand some coaches are racking up win totals for job security, but that isn't a plan for long term success.
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby tribecalledquest » June 2nd, 2022, 9:22 pm

BCPanther wrote:UNI has signed a home and home with South Florida. First game in Cedar Falls this December and a return to Tampa in 23-24.

Two A10s, ACC, AAC and MAC already on the schedule. Good schedules can be put together in our league if you're willing to do it.


Yes. Fans and media need to stop buying the line that non P5 teams can't get good games and put together good schedules.
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