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Re: Another Expansion/Realignment Thread

Postby TylerDurden » January 22nd, 2025, 10:59 am

ColonialBulldog wrote:
BCPanther wrote:How is it an advantage when everybody gets a 'bye' at some point?




Well that's an easy one. Timing and opponent. A bye early in the season is less advantageous than a bye in the middle of the conference slate. Having Bradley as your only opponent in one week is more advantageous for a league contender than only having to play a bottom of the league team.

But I thought about it and the premise is off. If we keep the same schedule format of Tuesday/Wednesday and Saturday/Sunday, every team would necessarily have two byes. (Although there could be some manipulation with those late November/early December games. I wouldn't be surprised if the Valley went with a "5 games over two weeks" model. For example, you'd play Sun/Wed/Sat/Tues/Thurs. And at a minimum every team would have 4 games every two weeks. That doesn't actually seem so bad.


That's more or less the "playing more midweek games" option I mentioned for WBB/VB because of the geographic flexibility the league is fortunate to have. It takes a bit more adjustment than is apparent because you still have to sort out the combinations that would work, not blow up budgets, and fit it all into the calendar for every team, but it's doable and creates a much more competitively balanced schedule - albeit one that is more physically demanding of players.

Or you simply don't play every opponent twice and maintain a similar calendar structure.
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Re: Another Expansion/Realignment Thread

Postby BCPanther » January 22nd, 2025, 11:17 am

ColonialBulldog wrote:
BCPanther wrote:How is it an advantage when everybody gets a 'bye' at some point?




Well that's an easy one. Timing and opponent. A bye early in the season is less advantageous than a bye in the middle of the conference slate. Having Bradley as your only opponent in one week is more advantageous for a league contender than only having to play a bottom of the league team.

But I thought about it and the premise is off. If we keep the same schedule format of Tuesday/Wednesday and Saturday/Sunday, every team would necessarily have two byes. (Although there could be some manipulation with those late November/early December games. I wouldn't be surprised if the Valley went with a "5 games over two weeks" model. For example, you'd play Sun/Wed/Sat/Tues/Thurs. And at a minimum every team would have 4 games every two weeks. That doesn't actually seem so bad.


The most successful sports league on the planet spreads byes out over 10 weeks and it works just fine. No schedule is perfect.

I do really think there will be a push to go back to 18. No need to take extra losses and the NET rewards crushing bad teams.
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Re: Another Expansion/Realignment Thread

Postby ColonialBulldog » January 22nd, 2025, 1:27 pm

18 games is something I'd absolutely get on board with. If you look at champions of conferences that play a 20 game schedule, their record is on average 16-4. And if you throw out low-major conferences, the ceiling so far is 18-2. Only Davidson in 07-08 has reached 20-0. Historically speaking you need to have the greatest shooter of all time in a terrible conference to go 20-0 :D


The reality is 16-4 in the Valley puts you on the bubble assuming you only had one loss in the non-con. We can't afford the two extra games which historically means adding a loss to the resume. But it would seem odd to sacrifice an opportunity for a round-robin if we were at 11 teams.
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Re: Another Expansion/Realignment Thread

Postby TylerDurden » January 22nd, 2025, 1:45 pm

Just for clarity's sake:

The men's basketball schedule is not the issue with an 11-team league. They do not play with travel partners, so managing the impact of an odd number of teams is relatively simple over the course of a league season. It's not perfectly symmetrical and you'll have people debating when the best time for an open date is, but it works without much issue if you're dead set on playing everyone twice. If you don't care about playing everyone twice, it's even easier.

Odd numbers are an issue with travel partners, specifically with women's basketball and volleyball in this instance.
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Re: Another Expansion/Realignment Thread

Postby Chuck A » February 3rd, 2025, 9:57 pm

A question that I thought would be appropriate here. How do you think Arch Madness would go if the Conference does indeed go to 14 teams? Do all teams quality or a limited number? If all teams qualify, do the top two teams get a double bye?
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Re: Another Expansion/Realignment Thread

Postby Ali » February 8th, 2025, 9:23 am

I do not see any scenario where St. Thomas would entertain an MVC invite. Their future is almost certainly in the A-10 or the Big East if things get really crazy with the next round of realignment.
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Re: Another Expansion/Realignment Thread

Postby Chuck A » February 8th, 2025, 12:56 pm

Ali wrote:I do not see any scenario where St. Thomas would entertain an MVC invite. Their future is almost certainly in the A-10 or the Big East if things get really crazy with the next round of realignment.

I keep seeing people posting this scenario about St. Thomas with no real substantive backing...even for an opinion. At least give us some reason for your comment.
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Re: Another Expansion/Realignment Thread

Postby Fetz86 » February 8th, 2025, 1:32 pm

If anything they need the stepping stone stop to get to one of those leagues if that is there ultimate goal.
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Re: Another Expansion/Realignment Thread

Postby MoValley John » February 8th, 2025, 5:47 pm

Chuck A wrote:
Ali wrote:I do not see any scenario where St. Thomas would entertain an MVC invite. Their future is almost certainly in the A-10 or the Big East if things get really crazy with the next round of realignment.

I keep seeing people posting this scenario about St. Thomas with no real substantive backing...even for an opinion. At least give us some reason for your comment.

I know the league has shifted east, but UNO is a good add for Drake, UNI and even Bradley, and Illinois State. They have great facilities and donors waiting for them to grow. It would fill the Creighton void as well. Look up Baxter arena, you'd be a little impressed.
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Re: Another Expansion/Realignment Thread

Postby MissouriValleyUnite » February 8th, 2025, 6:01 pm

MoValley John wrote:I know the league has shifted east, but UNO is a good add for Drake, UNI and even Bradley, and Illinois State. They have great facilities and donors waiting for them to grow. It would fill the Creighton void as well. Look up Baxter arena, you'd be a little impressed.

I was there recently. It’s definitely an impressive arena and very similar to the Ford Center. The problem with UNO is they’re all-in on hockey - it’s been a total hockey school since 1999 or so (they even sold out their entire first couple seasons even though the team was at the bottom then) - and the fan support for hockey is significantly higher than for MBB. As a result, that’s where the athletic department’s focus goes. Basically the public school version of University of Denver.
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