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Re: MSU to Conference USA?

Postby DoubleJayAlum » June 23rd, 2011, 9:12 am

beatingrillz wrote:just depends on who you believe the WAC will be next followed by Sunbelt just my guess. Someone was in town meeting with the Bears who it was has yet to be seen.


When did this meeting take place?

If it was last spring, couldn't it have been reps from the NCAA tourney selection committee to determine if the team was at large worthy? If, as some have stated, the meeting took place during an MSU-WSU game, I could see the selection committee reps being there to evaluate both teams since both were on the bubble or close to it at that particular point in time.
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Re: MSU to Conference USA?

Postby MSUDuo » June 23rd, 2011, 9:28 am

DoubleJayAlum wrote:
beatingrillz wrote:just depends on who you believe the WAC will be next followed by Sunbelt just my guess. Someone was in town meeting with the Bears who it was has yet to be seen.


When did this meeting take place?

If it was last spring, couldn't it have been reps from the NCAA tourney selection committee to determine if the team was at large worthy? If, as some have stated, the meeting took place during an MSU-WSU game, I could see the selection committee reps being there to evaluate both teams since both were on the bubble or close to it at that particular point in time.



I believe 2 such meetings happened last year. Once in the fall semester and once at the MSU/WSU game.

The rumor, or thinking, going along with it is that only 1 of the 3-4 individuals was on the selection committee. No clue if they were from the same school or not or just CUSA people. SMU had someone on the committee this past season

If it was for committee purposes, would you have more than just one there? Why just CUSA people?

I don't know if the rumor is true or not and I am trying to not get my hopes up. But like I said, it is getting harder to ignore with the ways things continue to go. The same meetings continue to happen and it sounds like with someone more important each time.

CUSA is at worst a lateral move. Say what you want about the teams behind Memphis, but those teams and that conference is better known from Florida to NY to Cali than anything in the MVC is.

And who knows, maybe in 15-20 we could actually turn around football at that level. Wishful thinking I am sure but that never hurt anybody.
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Re: MSU to Conference USA?

Postby valleychamp » June 23rd, 2011, 11:14 am

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Re: MSU to Conference USA?

Postby valleychamp » June 23rd, 2011, 11:15 am

STL MVC wrote:In the six years since the C-USA lost Louisville, Marquette, etc., the Missouri Valley has finished higher in KenPom's ratings four times as an overall conference.

It's easy to be blinded by the success of Memphis, but Conference USA is not a better league. It's a larger league, but it's not better. Teams like UTEP, Tulsa, UAB, Houston and Southern Miss have had relative success during the past decade or so, but they would all fit nicely in the Missouri Valley. The rest of the league would finish near the bottom of the MVC. Rice hasn't had a winning season since god knows when. Southern Methodist is a joke, and so is East Carolina.

At worst, the two leagues are even.


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Re: MSU to Conference USA?

Postby CaseyGarrisonforPrez » June 23rd, 2011, 11:51 am

People in this thread have made some great points about Conference USA in the past and maybe even the present but this is about the future. If the conference keeps the same members, it'll be a terrific conference. UTEP hired an amazing coach in Floyd so they will continue to finish well. Memphis has Pastner and will always be good because of their talent. UAB has a coach that has taken a team to the Final Four. Southern Miss has a coach who is good but indescretions forced him out of the best job in the state of Iowa. Marshall has had a few nice years and look good. And Houston has a guy who has been the ACC COY before. Now granted SMU has underachieved under Doherty but SMU has big time boosters and in a huge market, they will succeed. Then look at Houston which has a legendary past, they will be back too. Noticing a common theme? I'm not even mentioning UCF and their awesome start of the season. These schools keep their coaches and many are legends at that.

Contrast with the Valley where no one keeps their coaches except maybe UNI and who knows about their future. It was clear that Jacobsen was out practincg like a Aggie Yell Leader to get that job. The arc of the USA is trekking upwards while the Valley is flat lining. Anyone can see it. Sure USA may not have the attendance or basketball savvy of the Valley but it has more potential which is a lot like Missouri State as a university. We are both going forward, not stuck in neutral.
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Re: MSU to Conference USA?

Postby STL MVC » June 23rd, 2011, 12:50 pm

Not sure your argument about keeping coaches holds much water:

Within the past three years:

--Calipari left for Kentucky
--Tony Barbee left for Auburn
--Tom Penders resigned at Houston
--Donnie Jones left Marshall for UCF (who fired Kirk Sperow)
--Mark McCarthy resigned with 3 years left on his contract at ECU to take a fundraising job with the school (no joke)

Mike Davis came from Indiana after getting fired and has had nothing more than modest success at UAB. Floyd was a part of the USC scandal. Doherty's been awful, and Eustachy has just recently taken his program to post-season level... but no NCAA Tournaments.

The coaches in the Missouri Valley are younger, but the jobs are just as stable. And talking long-term, there's no more established coach in either league than Gregg Marshall.

And just as I outlined in a previous post, the MVC has been a better league than the C-USA ever since those teams defected to the Big East and what not.

So basically, the MVC has:

--better competition
--same job security
--better fans, more support
--better geography

Why would Missouri State want to leave?
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Re: MSU to Conference USA?

Postby STL MVC » June 23rd, 2011, 12:55 pm

And just to quickly add to that, I'd rather my program have a rising star like Lansing or Lusk than a washed-up Larry Eustachy. And again, even though Southern Miss had a decent team this year, they weren't world-beaters. Mike Davis has not won an NCAA Tournament game at UAB yet. Tim Floyd's never been past the Sweet 16 in his career. Hell even Chris Lowery did that.

It's not like the re-incarnation of John Wooden is coaching in Conference USA.
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Re: MSU to Conference USA?

Postby Haha » June 23rd, 2011, 1:12 pm

As a WSU fan I would prefer Conf USA, mainly due to locations and the baseball. Basketball would really be a wash in my opinion. Some years CUSA is better and other years MVC is better. So more power to MSU if they can weasel in there.

Future smuture as far as football is concerned though. Being lower end FBS schools they will always struggle with financial situations and will always be the BCS b******. However I can understand why MSU would rather be playing Division 1 football than doing what they are doing now. Who knows every 10 years or so they might get into some middle of the road bowl.

Still even with a no win situation in football if I was a fan of MSU I would be really excited about the possibility of dumping the Valley for CUSA. If anything the basketball will be a wash, the baseball is way better, the football is Division 1, oh and the majority of geographic locations are better (I'm not talking distance, I'm talking climate).
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Re: MSU to Conference USA?

Postby MoValley John » June 23rd, 2011, 2:15 pm

valleychamp wrote:MSU=Quagmire.

http://youtu.be/Wyiyj85BtwE



I haven't always agreed with VC in the past, but this post and the video hits the nail right on the head. That video also hits right at home when Mizzou and their governor declared that the Big 10 had invited them and they were bolting!

I have no dillusions about the Valley, what it is, or the potential, but the league is made up of 10 schools, all with faults and strengths. If you think the league is weak, some of that weakness comes from home, your school, your team. You don't automatically become better because you have better teams around you. In fact, you might simply be the fat chick in the group of hotties. The hotties associate with you only because they think you make them look hotter, all the while, all you do is keep the dudes away from all of them, as no guy wants to get stuck being the wingman the night you are in the group.

Too often fans look to the pasture over the fence and want to graze there. Sometimes the grass is greener, sometimes it is better, but most of the farmers that will allow your cow to graze on their grass have similar cows and similar results at the market. The rancher of champion angus will not allow your common, black, black white face steer anywhere near his prized pedigree herd. Usually, when you look closely at the grass in the meadow you can actually graze on, it isn't any better. It might even have some weeds you don't see.
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Re: MSU to Conference USA?

Postby BirdmanBB » June 23rd, 2011, 2:28 pm

Be careful Bear fans or Doug Elgin will ride through the great state of Missouri on a chariot of fire and banish you to the OVC. :twisted:
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