What if Creighton was still in the Valley...

[Wufan]

Wow, I can't even defend myself on here without posts getting deleted.

People can call me out and come after me all they want but I can't respond. This site makes bradleyfans.com look like the gates of heaven.

You seem to have left a bad taste in people's mouths. Perhaps a new screen name and a more cordial approach is in order?

[uniftw]

Wow, I can't even defend myself on here without posts getting deleted.

People can call me out and come after me all they want but I can't respond. This site makes bradleyfans.com look like the gates of heaven.

You seem to have left a bad taste in people's mouths. Perhaps a new screen name and a more cordial approach is in order?

My question becomes how does he keep track of all of his screen names?

Does he have an excel sheet that is color coded based on "banned" "bad reputation" "in use" "in use - warned" "yet to be used"?

[DoubleJayAlum]

Hi all! To answer the original question:

What if Creighton was still in the Valley.....

...WSU wouldn't be undefeated.

Being serious for a moment, WSU is an interesting case for the committee. I don't remember the bottom of the MVC ever being this bad. Basically, from an RPI perspective only, Loyola and SIU are like having four MEAC games on the schedule (that number may even be higher if WSU faces any of those teams in the conference tourney) and Bradley isn't much better. WSU's strength of schedule is going to get hammered going forward merely by the presence of these games. On top of that, WSU may not be able to secure a single top 50 win out of the conference. Dumb as it sounds, WSU would almost be better off canceling all of their remaining games than they would be to win them all! Alternatively, WSU could guarantee themselves another top 50 win if they deliberately lose the game at InSU, but that sounds stupid too.

Last year's Gonzaga got a one seed by going undefeated in conference, plus winning the WCC conf. tourney, but the WCC at least provided a couple of top 50 wins. Gonzaga also had a solid noncon, so their final SOS was in the 60's. I don't see how WSU will be able to keep a SOS under 100-110, even if they run the table, unless almost all of their noncon opponents go on huge winning streaks. I know the pundits will point to a not so strong noncon resume (only two teams with RPIs of 50 or better, assuming current trends stand), but I know first hand that so much of that is out of a school's control -- you can schedule what you think are good opponents, only to have them crap the bed.

[TheAsianSensation]

Wichita's current non-con SoS is 52.

One can easily find holes in Wichita's resume. I have no idea why all the talking heads are gravitating to a hole that actually doesn't exist, instead of holes that do.

[Snaggletooth]

Hi all! To answer the original question:

What if Creighton was still in the Valley.....

...WSU wouldn't be undefeated.

Being serious for a moment, WSU is an interesting case for the committee. I don't remember the bottom of the MVC ever being this bad. Basically, from an RPI perspective only, Loyola and SIU are like having four MEAC games on the schedule (that number may even be higher if WSU faces any of those teams in the conference tourney) and Bradley isn't much better. WSU's strength of schedule is going to get hammered going forward merely by the presence of these games. On top of that, WSU may not be able to secure a single top 50 win out of the conference. Dumb as it sounds, WSU would almost be better off canceling all of their remaining games than they would be to win them all! Alternatively, WSU could guarantee themselves another top 50 win if they deliberately lose the game at InSU, but that sounds stupid too.

Last year's Gonzaga got a one seed by going undefeated in conference, plus winning the WCC conf. tourney, but the WCC at least provided a couple of top 50 wins. Gonzaga also had a solid noncon, so their final SOS was in the 60's. I don't see how WSU will be able to keep a SOS under 100-110, even if they run the table, unless almost all of their noncon opponents go on huge winning streaks. I know the pundits will point to a not so strong noncon resume (only two teams with RPIs of 50 or better, assuming current trends stand), but I know first hand that so much of that is out of a school's control -- you can schedule what you think are good opponents, only to have them crap the bed.

all good points. I don't think WSU really has a shot at No.1 - it is fun to dream, but WSU won't have the resume since some of the worst Div I b-ball teams happen to play in the MVC. At best I'm just hoping that WSU will get a decent seed with decent matchup in the first round.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Wichita's current non-con SoS is 52.

One can easily find holes in Wichita's resume. I have no idea why all the talking heads are gravitating to a hole that actually doesn't exist, instead of holes that do.

It isn't the noncon SOS that's the problem. The problem is that the SOS is going to be devastated by the conference SOS.

[TheAsianSensation]

Wichita's current non-con SoS is 52.

One can easily find holes in Wichita's resume. I have no idea why all the talking heads are gravitating to a hole that actually doesn't exist, instead of holes that do.

It isn't the noncon SOS that's the problem. The problem is that the SOS is going to be devastated by the conference SOS.

Well that's what I'm kind of saying. Everyone in the media is saying the non-con SoS is the problem when there's other more pressing issues.

[rlh04d]

On top of that, WSU may not be able to secure a single top 50 win out of the conference.

You're predicting that the #19 team in the country won't have a top 50 RPI at the end of the year?

The question is whether Saint Louis will be a top 25 RPI, not whether they'll be a top 50. Not sure what your point is there. It's BYU at 38 and Tennessee at 56 that are the question marks for us as top 50 wins out of conference. We're far more likely to have three top 50 wins OOC than zero.

But yes, the MVC is a huge drag on us RPI wise. WSU fans were saying that before the season, and it's why we were complaining about Loyola. We replaced the team currently at #10 in RPI with the team at #300. That's just disgusting. The only way Loyola could have been an acceptable add this year is if they didn't beat a single top half team, and that's already ruined.

But oh well. Having three other top 100 RPI teams in the conference is better than I expected. If Indiana State can get a top 50 RPI and UNI/MoSt can stay in the top 100, our resume is still just fine. We still have a real chance at a 13-0 record against top 100 teams, 6-0 against the top 50.

For comparison sake, we only had 8 top 100 wins last year, and 3 top 50 wins. The year before that, 6 top 100, 2 top 50. The secret to having a conference that limits opportunities for big wins: win them all.

But man this would have been a great overall season with Creighton waiting one more year.

[rlh04d]

all good points. I don't think WSU really has a shot at No.1 - it is fun to dream, but WSU won't have the resume since some of the worst Div I b-ball teams happen to play in the MVC. At best I'm just hoping that WSU will get a decent seed with decent matchup in the first round.

If we finish undefeated, we have a one seed.

But that is the only way we get a one seed. One loss and it's gone.

A one seed would be awesome, but I'm hardly going to complain about a three seed, either. What's the highest seed a Valley team has had in the last 20 or so years?

[mvcfan]

Wichita's current non-con SoS is 52.

One can easily find holes in Wichita's resume. I have no idea why all the talking heads are gravitating to a hole that actually doesn't exist, instead of holes that do.

It isn't the noncon SOS that's the problem. The problem is that the SOS is going to be devastated by the conference SOS.

No its not the noncon SOS that is the problem. The problem is that teams in our conference don't win the nonconference games.