MVC Expansion Candidate Deep Dive

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Re: MVC Expansion Candidate Deep Dive

Postby smidge34 » December 20th, 2021, 8:48 am

BCPanther wrote:
This is the best run the SoCon has ever had and they just lost a TON of coaching talent. This is their absolute ceiling. When The Valley had the same run of elite coaching talent at the same time, we got to 6th.

The Valley is head and shoulders the better league unless you look at two years in a vacuum and, frankly, using NET rankings on December 20th to try to prove your point is asinine.


I only used NET rankings in response to the post I quoted who tried to use kenpom rankings on December 20 as well and even tried to make that clear when I included the part about finding a computer rankings system that backs your argument. Number 2 I never said one word about the MVC and SoCon being even in the past, just the present which you just confirmed for me (thanks) and going forward. However, it’s been close the last couple of seasons.
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Re: MVC Expansion Candidate Deep Dive

Postby All-MVC Fan » December 20th, 2021, 10:22 am

At one time, this was a great thread. And then the trolling started. Way to kill the vibe…
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Re: MVC Expansion Candidate Deep Dive

Postby smidge34 » December 20th, 2021, 12:54 pm

Yours is the biggest troll post in the thread. All I see is a difference of opinion being debated here. Newsflash, I’ve been posting here for a long time and plan on continuing in the future. If you aren’t going to participate in the discussion then don’t.

Look, I don’t care who gets butthurt over my opinions here, I said what I said and meant every word of it.
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Re: MVC Expansion Candidate Deep Dive

Postby nodak651 » December 20th, 2021, 11:50 pm

This is interesting..

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2021/12/20_Between-the-Lines-Midseason.php
"I've also heard that Missouri-Kansas City — another current Summit League member — has been seriously investigating adding hockey. This is in the slightly-higher-than-rumor category."
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Re: MVC Expansion Candidate Deep Dive

Postby RacerJoeD » December 21st, 2021, 5:56 am

Great, now the reason the not invite Murray St will be “They don’t offer D1 hockey”
J/k


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Re: MVC Expansion Candidate Deep Dive

Postby Drakey » December 23rd, 2021, 9:44 pm

Valley up to #11 in the NET. Passed the SoCon
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Re: MVC Expansion Candidate Deep Dive

Postby VUGrad1314 » December 23rd, 2021, 11:09 pm

The scuttlebutt that the MVC will be going to 20 conference games leads me to believe (perhaps naively) that sanity has won out and Murray State and only Murray State out of this otherwise lackluster pool of candidates will be added. I hope that is right. As a conference that thrives on its ability to punch above its weight class I hope we only add teams that fit that profile regardless of where they are located. Sometimes we will get lucky and find a Belmont who is in a big market and fits this mission but we can't chase markets and hope we get a Loyola every time because that simply isn't going to happen. Markets will do nothing unless the team in that market wins consistently and only if the team in that market wins consistently. Otherwise it's little more than an anchor. Being in big markets alone does nothing for the Horizon League. It did nothing for CUSA. It probably won't do anything for the AAC (considering that those schools all came from the CUSA failed experiment). We can't and shouldn't make the same mistake. From this pool it's Murray and Murray only and keep the double round robin. Any expansion beyond 11 needs to be done with a new pool of candidates in mind with performance alone as the driving factor. That's what's going to make money for the MVC not adding markets.
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Re: MVC Expansion Candidate Deep Dive

Postby BCPanther » December 24th, 2021, 8:43 am

VUGrad1314 wrote:The scuttlebutt that the MVC will be going to 20 conference games leads me to believe (perhaps naively) that sanity has won out and Murray State and only Murray State out of this otherwise lackluster pool of candidates will be added. I hope that is right. As a conference that thrives on its ability to punch above its weight class I hope we only add teams that fit that profile regardless of where they are located. Sometimes we will get lucky and find a Belmont who is in a big market and fits this mission but we can't chase markets and hope we get a Loyola every time because that simply isn't going to happen. Markets will do nothing unless the team in that market wins consistently and only if the team in that market wins consistently. Otherwise it's little more than an anchor. Being in big markets alone does nothing for the Horizon League. It did nothing for CUSA. It probably won't do anything for the AAC (considering that those schools all came from the CUSA failed experiment). We can't and shouldn't make the same mistake. From this pool it's Murray and Murray only and keep the double round robin. Any expansion beyond 11 needs to be done with a new pool of candidates in mind with performance alone as the driving factor. That's what's going to make money for the MVC not adding markets.


My gut says Arlington only for next year since they don't have any exit fee issues. The Sun Belt is more than happy to wish them well in their new endeavors since they don't play football.

UIC in 23-24 and Murray in 24-25. Murray could be sooner if they can find a non-MVFC home. The 2024 season is the earliest they could get in the MVFC from a scheduling perspective and iron out how scheduling is going to work that doesn't completely screw UNI and Missouri State.

Also gives you two full years for whoever #14 is to show that they should be #14.
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Re: MVC Expansion Candidate Deep Dive

Postby smidge34 » December 24th, 2021, 8:59 am

I can’t imagine us sticking around til 2025 waiting on the MVC to get their crap together.
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Re: MVC Expansion Candidate Deep Dive

Postby racernation » December 24th, 2021, 9:13 am

smidge34 wrote:I can’t imagine us sticking around til 2025 waiting on the MVC to get their crap together.


Like we have other places to go :roll:
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