Counzo Martin new Tennessee Vols coach

[MSUDuo]

I would be shocked if Moats stayed in house with this one. To promote someone who isn't yet ready, just to keep current players and recruits does not bode well long term. I like our three assts. but they aren't ready, none of them to takeover a program such as ours. We need someone who is experienced.

Experienced how? I threw out some names that had success at mid-majors before going BCS and you shot them down. What experience did 'Zo have besides being an assistant? None.

Add to the list Russ Pennell, Steve Shields, Craig Neal, and Tommy Amaker

[CaseyGarrisonforPrez]

I would be shocked if Moats stayed in house with this one. To promote someone who isn't yet ready, just to keep current players and recruits does not bode well long term. I like our three assts. but they aren't ready, none of them to takeover a program such as ours. We need someone who is experienced.

Experienced how? I threw out some names that had success at mid-majors before going BCS and you shot them down. What experience did 'Zo have besides being an assistant? None.

Add to the list Russ Pennell, Steve Shields, Craig Neal, and Tommy Amaker

I just am kind of bothered by some of Pelphrey's antics. I would still prefer him over our current assts. I really like Pennell and Neal but don't know if either is attainable. I wonder what role Steve Alford would play if we get Neal, he could really sell our job to him. Shields has done decently at UALR, he might work, I never really thought about him. Pennell is another interesting one, would he leave the state of Arizona? I think Amaker has a good situation at Harvard and after the Michigan fail I think he fits better on the East coast.

[CaseyGarrisonforPrez]

Scott Spinelli? Bruce Pearl?

I always thought that Missouri State demanded squeeky clean. Bruce Pearl has been outted as a cheater and dirty. Do Missouri State fans really want to sell souls for a winner? And why would he take a Missouri State job for the money you can offer? Can you guys pony up a mil a year now? Besides, he needs to take a year or two off to clean up his name a bit.

As for Spin, there are reasons beyond reasons why Spinelli has never been given his own gig. Scott Spinelli is as dirty as they get. If Spinelli could be trusted with a team he would have been given one years ago. Some day, there probably will be a team desperate enough to give Spinelli a chance, but they will be desperate. I saw how Spinelli recruited at Nebraska, he was brought in because Barry Collier couldn't recruit to save his own life. Spinelli combed the gutters and looked for every corrupt AAU team to bring in guys. Most of what he brought in couldn't qualify academically. Wichita State fans were glad to get Spinelli because he had a track record of getting top recruits. They were turned off on him just as fast as they embraced him. Much of the cupboard being bare when Marshall arrived can be attributed to Spinelli. Scott Spinelli is slime. I haven't followed A&M nor how Spinelli is recruiting now, but I can't see him changing much. I really hope you aren't serious about Spinelli.

I don't have a short list for who Missouri State should go after, I hope they get a guy similar to Martin. Those guys just don't grow on trees, though.

Spinelli is a tough, fiery fella. I remember him having to be restrained after he attempted to go after Scott Drew one time. I like that though. He is a man's man. I know Wichita fans will say bad things because he left with Turg, etc. CU fans will talk negatively because he was at NU when Barry was there so there is that rival's animosity that clouds your view. I like his emotion, AAU connections, and his fire. I like him.

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Scott Spinelli? Bruce Pearl?

I always thought that Missouri State demanded squeeky clean. Bruce Pearl has been outted as a cheater and dirty. Do Missouri State fans really want to sell souls for a winner? And why would he take a Missouri State job for the money you can offer? Can you guys pony up a mil a year now? Besides, he needs to take a year or two off to clean up his name a bit.

As for Spin, there are reasons beyond reasons why Spinelli has never been given his own gig. Scott Spinelli is as dirty as they get. If Spinelli could be trusted with a team he would have been given one years ago. Some day, there probably will be a team desperate enough to give Spinelli a chance, but they will be desperate. I saw how Spinelli recruited at Nebraska, he was brought in because Barry Collier couldn't recruit to save his own life. Spinelli combed the gutters and looked for every corrupt AAU team to bring in guys. Most of what he brought in couldn't qualify academically. Wichita State fans were glad to get Spinelli because he had a track record of getting top recruits. They were turned off on him just as fast as they embraced him. Much of the cupboard being bare when Marshall arrived can be attributed to Spinelli. Scott Spinelli is slime. I haven't followed A&M nor how Spinelli is recruiting now, but I can't see him changing much. I really hope you aren't serious about Spinelli.

I don't have a short list for who Missouri State should go after, I hope they get a guy similar to Martin. Those guys just don't grow on trees, though.

Spinelli is a tough, fiery fella. I remember him having to be restrained after he attempted to go after Scott Drew one time. I like that though. He is a man's man. I know Wichita fans will say bad things because he left with Turg, etc. CU fans will talk negatively because he was at NU when Barry was there so there is that rival's animosity that clouds your view. I like his emotion, AAU connections, and his fire. I like him.

It takes all kinds I guess....trust me, nobody in Wichita was sad to see him go.

[bleach]

Since I missed most of the Zo vs Barry debate, let me interject.
No one said Barry didn't win games and no one said Zo won anything but a Valley title in a down year.
The fact that 3 years later Barry can't get a sniff at a head coaching job and the fact that Zo was on the short list of every coaching search in the country says tons about what people think of Barry and Zo as coaches. Those oppinions are much the same as MSU fans. Coincidence? Face it people, Barry wasn't a good coach. The program had sunk to new lows under Barry and was being resurrected under Zo. When Barry had 10 years starting with a sweet 16 team and Zo had 3 years starting with a Valley play in team you can't really compare results as apples to apples.

[uniftw]

Since I missed most of the Zo vs Barry debate, let me interject.
No one said Barry didn't win games and no one said Zo won anything but a Valley title in a down year.
The fact that 3 years later Barry can't get a sniff at a head coaching job and the fact that Zo was on the short list of every coaching search in the country says tons about what people think of Barry and Zo as coaches. Those oppinions are much the same as MSU fans. Coincidence? Face it people, Barry wasn't a good coach. The program had sunk to new lows under Barry and was being resurrected under Zo. When Barry had 10 years starting with a sweet 16 team and Zo had 3 years starting with a Valley play in team you can't really compare results as apples to apples.

Barry's teams were top 25 RPI teams and lost in the conference title game twice and missed the NCAA's only due to the snubbing of not wanting more than 3 or 4 mid major teams from one conference in. The teams Barry had would beat this past years MSU team by 10

[bleach]

All true. Doesn't mean Barry was a good coach and certainly doesn't mean he was better than Zo. Will you please tell me why the wonderful coach B is not able to get a job!!!!!!

[valleychamp]

All true. Doesn't mean Barry was a good coach and certainly doesn't mean he was better than Zo. Will you please tell me why the wonderful coach B is not able to get a job!!!!!!

Is he looking for a head job?

You guys gotta start being realistic with this comparison. Martin's best year at MSU culminated in an MVC title in a very weak MVC and resulted in an NIT bid. Also, consider all of that was accomplished with his best player being a Hinson recruit.

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I would argue Martin was a hot commodity because of Purdue coaching tree bloodlines combined with his on the court results. Not court results alone. Considering BH's connections I would think you really can't compare the two as it is obvious it did at least factor into Martins status.

I think sitting around arguing who was better or not is stupid. Really can't come to concrete determination. I think BH got a raw deal not for being let go after 8 seasons or whatever it was but how he was treated financially while there. Of course I guess if he didn't like it he could have left so thats on him as well. One's market value is only as high as one is being paid.

I have heard that Martin refused a salary increase back around March 7th before Tenn job even opened. I also heard no locker rooms at the arena and he never received a simple trainers table he had requested. I don't know if any of this is true or not. If it is however all I can say is what kind of mickey mouse operation is the AD running over there?

[bleach]

All true. Doesn't mean Barry was a good coach and certainly doesn't mean he was better than Zo. Will you please tell me why the wonderful coach B is not able to get a job!!!!!!

Is he looking for a head job?

Are you serious????