Does Marshall stay at WSU?

[TylerDurden]

Instead of posting home games why don't you post SOS, specifically out of conference. Thanks

On top of that he has said consistently that WSU had chances and they just didn't get it done.

However we all know this league blows big ones. You can sit back and say WSU isn't doing much either but one thing you can't say is that a loss to WSU in the last two years would have been a killer in the RPI. Nor can you say a win over WSU didn't count as a quality win the last two years.

All marshall has said about any school wanting to hire him was that he was contacted by 3 schools, had further contact with 2, and had even more conversations with 1.

WSU did have the best noncon this past season. Of course, it was propped up by the MWC-MVC challenge game against San Diego St and the exempt tourney. Take those away and the noncon schedule really doesn't look much different than most of the other Valley schools.

Those games (Maui, SDSU) were scheduled before most of the home non-con, so Marshall already knew he was going to have tough games. The main point is that TylerDurden tried to deride our non-con using select games, completely ignoring the fact WSU had the best SOS in the conference, even before the post-season.

But to address your point, you can't just say, had WSU not played the exempt tourney and SDSU the schedule would look like the other Valley schools. Take those school's 2-3 best RPI games away and then compare. That would be apples-to-apples.

Having the best SOS in the MVC this year is like being the tallest midget. You're still a midget. At the end of the season, WSU didn't have the best SOS anyway -- Indiana State did. But that's not the point.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/rankings/RPI
http://www.rpiratings.com/mensrpi.html
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/bkt1011.htm

I was pointing out the irony of a coach's statement...and deriding a bit. But it's deserved if you're looking at this from a global perspective.

He's saying that WSU did it's part, which is clearly not true. WSU showed its ability during the NIT...the problem was that WSU had NCAA tournament talent and I think most everyone here knew it.

WSU was hands-down the preseason pick. They needed to schedule like it. They did not. They under-scheduled for the team they had.

They gave themselves two chances - vs. UConn in Maui and at SDSU (which was scheduled for them).

WSU CHOSE to play the weak teams at home, which is what I pointed out. They had other options. They may not have been BCS teams, but they had options that would have made their schedule better -- enough so they would be in the at-large conversation.

WSU fans are a bit sensitive when anyone calls out their coach - but when he decides to call out people, it can be scrutinized.

Listen, I understand that MVC teams can't generally get home games with BCS teams. I get it. But there are more that two options. It's not BCS or bottom feeder.

I happened to be using WSU as the example, because of the statements their coach made and the expectations of that team, but you could replace WSU with any MVC team.

[Haha]

Marshall won 29 games this year, not 28.

Sorry I don't count division II games.

[Aargh]

The $1.9 mill was the best information available. I suspect most of these leaks about which coaches are being pursued by which schools and the $$$ being tossed around are coming from agents trying to get a little better deal for their clients.

NCSt did end up paying a reported $1.2 mill to an unemployed coach who was basically run out of his last job because of his strained relations with players and a situation his wife got into at a game. Gottfried left Alabama while the season was still in progress.

Marshall was a pretty hot commodity this year. Reports from the more reliable sources (not message boards) and Marshall's statements seem to agree that there were about 3 schools seriously pursuing Marshall. NCSt knew they were bidding against other BCS schools. The $1.9 mill seems reasonable in those circumstances. The 7 years for $20 mill that was also reported by a "source" did not seem reasonable, and you didn't see any Shox fans mentioning that as the possible offer.

I agree with the poster who thought that Debbie Yow was probably the deal-buster here. The AD is always part of the deal.

[RoyalShock]

WSU CHOSE to play the weak teams at home, which is what I pointed out. They had other options. They may not have been BCS teams, but they had options that would have made their schedule better -- enough so they would be in the at-large conversation.

For your point to be valid, you need to prove your statement above about having other options. Please tell us which teams Marshall had the opportunity to play, but chose to turn down.

The other side to the "we did our part" argument is to win the games. In the non-con WSU lost three games - two to top-15 RPI teams and the other to a Final Four team (RPI 49). Granted, WSU could have done better. But every other MVC team had at least two worse RPI losses than WSU's worst RPI loss in the non-con.

[UNIFanSince1983]

As I thought Marshall wasn't going anywhere. NC State is a terrible job. They ran the coach prior to Sydney Lowe out after 5 straight NCAA tournament appearances. Lowe resigned because he was terrible. The fans and AD at NC State are so delusional about what they should be it is unbelievable. That is why they had to hire who they did and none of the mid-major coaches wanted to go there. This wasn't about an offer. I have a feeling even John Calapari money wouldn't have been enough for some coaches to go to NC State. The fact of the matter is the jobs that were open this year were just not desirable for mid-major coaches. Most of them know they have it better where they are than at NC State, Georgia Tech, and Mizzou. They have not that much less money, and quite a bit lower expectations. At our schools going to a Sweet Sixteen is enough. Clearly just going to the tournament isn't going to be enough at NC State, and you aren't gonna get the caliber players you need to compete in the ACC.

Wichita State is a better job with slightly less money that NC State, and that is why Marshall is still there.

Now I would be curious to see what happens if Jim Calhoun retires at UConn. I am not saying they would go after Marshall, but they may hire a name from another BCS school, and then that team might go after a Valley coach...

[CaseyGarrisonforPrez]

Kevin Ollie is what happens if Calhoun retires. Double G would get no interest there.

[valleychamp]

The point of the discussion isn't how difficult it is to get quality games and a quality schedule. We all know how tough that is. The point is, that Marshal basically called out the rest of the conference for weak scheduling, when in reality he is scheduling the same exact way everyone else is.

[CaseyGarrisonforPrez]

The point of the discussion isn't how difficult it is to get quality games and a quality schedule. We all know how tough that is. The point is, that Marshal basically called out the rest of the conference for weak scheduling, when in reality he is scheduling the same exact way everyone else is.

I hadn't thought of it in that context. Perhaps he should have stayed at Winthrop, he would have made the Tournament 2-3 more times already had that happened.

[iSASO]

Marshall got a major boost in pay, prestige and fan support when he left Winthrop. That's three pretty nice upgrades. That was his unbelieveable offer, the only one he's encountered in 13 years as a D1 head coach. An offer too good to refuse.

[SubGod22]

The point of the discussion isn't how difficult it is to get quality games and a quality schedule. We all know how tough that is. The point is, that Marshal basically called out the rest of the conference for weak scheduling, when in reality he is scheduling the same exact way everyone else is.

Exact same way everyone else is? Really? He and WSU fans admit we could do better, but some of the team in this conference have horrendous schedules. Someone started a thread with the OOC SOS on it and while we had a schedule not as good as we'd like to see, it still ended up better than everyone elses. And most by A LOT.

EVERYONE needs to schedule better. Some more so than the others.