Bracketology 2012-2013

[TheAsianSensation]

Why do they have 12 seeds playing in the play in game. As opposed to having 8 16 seeds playing for the 4 final 16 seeds. This makes the 12 seeds have to win a game just to get to the field of 64, but 13, 14, 15 , and some 16 seeds are already in the field of 64?? Anyone know why they do it this way? Thanks.

At the time of expansion, there were two separate thoughts:
1) make the 8 worst teams in the field (the 16 seeds) play in the play in games. Since they're the worst teams, that seems logical.
2) make the 8 worst at-large teams in the field play in the play in games. Since they were the last 8 teams to make the field, that seems logical too. Those 16 seeds may be worst, but they qualified automatically.

So naturally, the NCAA screwed it up and took half from column A and half from column B.

[TheAsianSensation]

Why do they have 12 seeds playing in the play in game. As opposed to having 8 16 seeds playing for the 4 final 16 seeds. This makes the 12 seeds have to win a game just to get to the field of 64, but 13, 14, 15 , and some 16 seeds are already in the field of 64?? Anyone know why they do it this way? Thanks.

You have two play-in games for the last four auto bid teams, You have two play-in games for the last four at large bids, it really has nothing to do with seeding, last year Iona and BYU played as 14 seeds, which i thought was wierd because that was saying the four 13 seeds were at large teams if they didnt win the conference tournament, but that is a whole no topic. Hopefully that answers your question!

I'd ignore last year - remember BYU's no-Sunday rule. As it turned out, every 4 seed (and therefore, every 12 and 13 seed) was assigned to play in a Friday-Sunday regional the first weekend. Whooooops.

[shoxrox]

Jerry Palm is a hack. I've said the same thing even when he had us as a 4 seed 10 days ago.

WSU hasn't been playing well lately (obviously). They only have 1 real bad loss in that stretch (SIU). Plenty of other college basketball teams have been racking up their fair share of bad losses this week. Yet, Mr. Hack drops us 8 seed lines in 10 days. That's why he's a hack. He's too extreme and overreacts to everything (not just WSU).

[musiccitybulldog]

If I was WSU I would be happy with that line. Ofcourse it could be better, but what is listed is winnable in my eyes. 2 games..winnable.

[bradley_brave1989]

Question for Asian Sensation....Where do u have WSU seed wise? Ive seen a wide variety. I personally would throw them at 9 or 10, not as low as a 12 like cbs, but not as high as 7 like espn.

[TheAsianSensation]

I just did an S-Curve, and I'm still playing with it (creating from scratch means I'm catching lots of little inconsistencies in there).

Creighton: the 7 line
Wichita: the 8 line
Indiana St: the 11 line

I have ISU 6 spots clear of the bubble.

[TheAsianSensation]

The Lockbox (47 teams)
BEast (7): Syracuse, Louisville, Marquette, Cincinnati, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh (i don't know. You try separating these teams from each other. It's impossible. I fully expect one of these teams to tank, but I have no idea. They'd all make it comfortably as of today)
B1G (6): Indiana, Michigan, Ohio St, Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin
MWC (3): New Mexico, San Diego St, Colorado St (it's possible I'm being too aggressive here too, but the conference is too strong. SDSU and CSU get the benefit of the doubt for now)
ACC (2): Duke, Miami
Big 12 (2): Kansas, Kansas St
Pac-12 (2): Arizona, Oregon (it's possible I'm being too aggressive on Oregon)
SEC (1): Florida
A-10 (1): Butler
WCC (1): Gonzaga
MVC (1): Creighton (stays in my lockbox for now)
21 other automatic bids

The waiting list (8) - consider these teams in bracket purgatory, not bubble but not locks:
B1G (1): Illinois
MWC (1): UNLV
ACC (1): North Carolina St
Pac-12 (1): UCLA
A-10 (1): VCU
SEC (1): Missouri
Big 12 (1): Oklahoma St
MVC (1): Wichita St

The bubble: 26 teams for 13 spots
In: Memphis*, North Carolina, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Iowa St
Next four in: Middle Tennessee St*, Belmont*, St Louis, Indiana St, LaSalle, Colorado
Last four in: Baylor, Temple, St Mary's, Villanova

Last four out: Boise St, Arizona St, Alabama, Virgina
Next four out: Akron*, Air Force, Massachusetts, BYU, St John's

The consideration board (other reasonable at-large candidates at the time): Louisiana Tech*, Maryland, Stanford, Charlotte, California, Southern Miss

Off the consideration board (currently not reasonable at-large candidates but can easily get there by March): Valparaiso*, Lehigh*, Stephen F Austin*, Xavier, Florida St, Washington, St Joseph's, Wyoming, Bucknell, Texas A&M, Arkansas, South Dakota St

The above list can also be used as an approximate estimate of the NIT bubble cutoff. Other teams on the NIT bubble: North Dakota St, Eastern Kentucky, Murray St, Detroit, West Virginia, New Mexico St, Utah St, Tennessee

13 remaining autobid teams of the moment: Harvard, Davidson, FGCU, Montana, Long Beach St, Vermont, Niagara, Western Illinois, Northeastern (yes, the CAA's 1 team is now on the 16 line), Bryant, UNC Asheville, Norfolk St, Southern

[FearDaTrees]

I just completed my first bracket of the year...

7 Creighton vs 10 UNLV
10 Wichita St vs 7 Colorado St
11 Indiana St vs 6 Kentucky

Last Four In- Temple, Iowa St, Cal and Virginia
Last Four Out- LaSalle, Baylor, Boise St and S. Miss
Next Four Out- St. John's, Charlotte, Air Force and Alabama

[TheAsianSensation]

Oh by the way, if you want to have fun, tell me what to do with Virginia's profile.

- Their RPI is 81, which would be highest for an at-large team in history.
- They are 7-3 in the ACC, the #4 conference
- Their SoS is 154, which is awful for an ACC team.
- They are UNDEFEATED against the RPI Top 100 (6-0) and against the RPI Top 50 (3-0)
- They have SIX sub-100 losses
- They have a reasonable collection of signature wins of @Wisconsin, UNC, NC State
- They are WINLESS (0-3) against the 25th strongest conference (CAA) in the country

So tell me what to do. You'd either have to project a team to get an at-large bid with the worst RPI in history, or you have to leave out a team that's 6-0 against the RPI Top 100. Go ahead, tell me.

They haven't played Miami or Duke yet, so those are two games that will give some answers, but my heavens.

[isumvc1]

Oh by the way, if you want to have fun, tell me what to do with Virginia's profile.

- Their RPI is 81, which would be highest for an at-large team in history.
- They are 7-3 in the ACC, the #4 conference
- Their SoS is 154, which is awful for an ACC team.
- They are UNDEFEATED against the RPI Top 100 (6-0) and against the RPI Top 50 (3-0)
- They have SIX sub-100 losses
- They have a reasonable collection of signature wins of @Wisconsin, UNC, NC State
- They are WINLESS (0-3) against the 25th strongest conference (CAA) in the country

So tell me what to do. You'd either have to project a team to get an at-large bid with the worst RPI in history, or you have to leave out a team that's 6-0 against the RPI Top 100. Go ahead, tell me.

They haven't played Miami or Duke yet, so those are two games that will give some answers, but my heavens.

Wow, now that is an interesting case. Here's to hoping they go on a massive losing streak and play themselves out of the tourney. And I thought Indiana State's scenario was crazy