Wichita State classless coach and players

[kochhead22]

I don't mind when visiting players walk off the court, hollering, hands in the air, jawing a little with the remaining fans left in the stands. I think that's all apart of the college atmosphere. I remember being in the student section a few years back, if/when a visiting team won in our house they'd be pumped leaving the court and it never bothered me, besides losing the damn game of course.

[Ali]

It's a black eye for both programs. Whether factual or not it seems like WSU is involved in these sorts of problems more than anyone else. A previous public reprimand for your coach probably contributes.

[Aargh]

Ron Baker got hit in the head with something thrown from the stands - during the game. An IlSU security guard reports that an IlSU coach "confronted" WSU's team and staff outside the WSU locker room. That same security guard reports that Muller showed up and tried to defuse the situation. That same security guard reports that even with his head coach trying to defuse the situation, that assistant coach had to be physically restrained by security. That same security guard reports that both staffs and teams were gathered outside the WSU locker room.

So, let me see if I've got this right. WSU was on their way to their locker room, when outside their locker room, they were confronted by an IlSU assistant. Then Muller showed up at the WSU locker room. Then the entire IlSU team and staff showed up at the WSU locker room. Security showed up and restrained the ILSU assistant, and security reported that if they hadn't shown up, blows would have been exchanged.

That report was from someone who posts on the Illinois State message board. That's not the spin from the WSU camp. That's the spin from the IlSU camp! If the IlSU assistant doesn't follow WSU to the WSU dressing room and doesn't "confront" the WSU staff outside the WSU dressing room, then there is no post-game altercation.

Aargh, you were sooooo close to getting the post from our board correct. So, for that I say congrats. Here is he post, word for word, I will underline the section you left out. Why would you leave that part out,??

During post game handshakes, apparently one WSU coach disrespected Coach Ford...as both teams headed for the locker rooms, one of ISU assistants stuck up for Coach Ford by confronting said WSU coach...and mayhem ensued! Myself and some university police officers had to separate ISU coaches and players from WSU coaches and players!! Had the security not responded as such, blows most definitely would have been exchanged. Most surprising was how both head coaches responded...Muller tried to help diffuse the situation...Marshall was adding fuel to the fire by screaming back obscenities, showing no professionalism nor respect for either program. I personally had to hold back an ISU assistant during the scuffle. Not sure if this makes any sort of news outlet...but expect to see sanctions be placed upon both programs by the MVC! It could have got real ugly, real fast and put the MVC in such a negative light. What ever respect I had towards WSU and Marshall is now lost. Also the former ISU coach, now WSU coach was part of the obscenity exchanging and interaction with the fans.

http://www.redbirdfan.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4572

So you seemed to omit that part about Coach Ford being disrespected in the handshake line.

Also I talked to both security and people that work at the Arena, and this throwing of coins is unfounded.

Are you actually defending someone who followed another team to their locker room, started yelling obscenities, had to be physically restrained by his own school's security - because that's OK if your buddy got disrespected?

Baker didn't get hit with a coin. He got hit with a mini basketball. That's not really dangerous, but when you're sitting at the bottom of the stands, and things start coming down from above, and you have no control over it - it creates a problem. Next time it might be a full water bottle.

But, that's OK because no "coins" were thrown. Honest, Officer, I did not shoot that man with my revolver.

[usmcdog]

I read in the paper this AM that the game officials were disciplined for allowing a wrong player for WSU to shoot free-throws. If the WSU staff were aware of the error, that shows a lack of integrity and respect for the game.

[shocktheheart]

I read in the paper this AM that the game officials were disciplined for allowing a wrong player for WSU to shoot free-throws. If the WSU staff were aware of the error, that shows a lack of integrity and respect for the game.

On Marshall's radio show last night he believed that anyone could shoot the free throws just like a technical...obviously that is not the case and the officials either didn't catch it or believed the same thing as well.

[shoxrox]

What other incidents has WSU been involved in similar to this situation?

I just love how WSU is always the bad guys in everything around here. They are sinned and damned to the end. The opposite party is always the innocent bystander, no matter what.

It usually coincides with winning. That's the only thing I can come up with. People are just getting tired of getting beat by WSU.

[Aargh]

I read in the paper this AM that the game officials were disciplined for allowing a wrong player for WSU to shoot free-throws. If the WSU staff were aware of the error, that shows a lack of integrity and respect for the game.

This is a new rule. Marshall thought it was treated like a T. The referees obviously thought it was treated like a T. This has been discussed on a message board where officials compare notes on games. Officials there thought it was supposed to be treated like a T.

There's another odd little exception. If a player is hurt, the coach can substitute anyone for the injured player, but that player is not forced to leave the game.

I expect some tweaking of rules in this area over the off season.

[shoxrox]

I read in the paper this AM that the game officials were disciplined for allowing a wrong player for WSU to shoot free-throws. If the WSU staff were aware of the error, that shows a lack of integrity and respect for the game.

Marshall was quoted saying he thought it was a technical foul. So he didn't have a clue. Apparently, the officials didnt either.

Let's just forget the fact that a player looked to intentionally kick a player in the chest and concentrate on assumptions on the WSU coaching staff.

But once again, let's blame WSU for it. That's the "cool" thing to do around here. Just unbelievable.

[Aargh]

What other incidents has WSU been involved in similar to this situation?

There was that nasty incident in St. Louis last year when Stutz kicked Wilkins in the foot with his nut sack.

Neutral court: IlSU player kicks WSU player in the balls
In Wichita: Nothing happens Edit: Oops. I forgot. In Wichita, Ford refused the pre-game coaches hand shakes.
At IlSU: Carmichael karate kicks a WSU player, IlSU coach follows WSU to their locker room, yelling obscenities, and wants to start a fight.

Shame on the bad Shockers for starting all that trouble like they always do.

[jwa123]

I read in the paper this AM that the game officials were disciplined for allowing a wrong player for WSU to shoot free-throws. If the WSU staff were aware of the error, that shows a lack of integrity and respect for the game.

On Marshall's radio show last night he believed that anyone could shoot the free throws just like a technical...obviously that is not the case and the officials either didn't catch it or believed the same thing as well.

I can see where that would happen. In all honesty that is what I thought too so I don't believe Coach Marshall tried to pull a fast one. The officials should have known but that's not on WSU or your coaches.

As for the Carmichel kick, I didn't see it at the game but I did watch it when we watched it on TV via DVR. Yes it was a foul and from what they showed on TV on the two different types flagrant fouls I am surprised that it wasn't called a flagrant 2. However, to insist that Jackie Carmichel did this intentionally isn't something I believe. Yes I would agree it looks intentional when you watch the replay but that doesn't take into account the character of Jackie Carmichel. He is close to finishing his senior season and after close to four years this has never been an issue in the past with him. He has not been over his career someone who takes the floor looking for someone to hurt on the other team. What happened was a foul but just knowing Jackie Carmichel and his character it wasn't intentional instead was accidental. The Shocker folks can choose to believe what they want but Jackie is good kid. The Jackie I know would not intentionally try to hurt anyone.