Who will be named the 2013-14 MVC Player of the Year?

[shocktheheart]

Who would your Player of the Year be, TheGuyWhoNeverAnswersMan, or do we have to wait til March before starting those discussions?[/quote]

I haven't seen them all. The usual format is that you have to start the year anointed to the first team to have any chance at all. So only five players have a chance. It doesn't matter what anyone else did over the summer to improve their game. Pre-season picks are based on last year's performance. Those who vote for the pre-season top five aren't likely to change their minds, it would be a sign of weakness. Player of the Year will be the best player on the team that wins the regular season championship but only if that player was named to the pre-season top five AND has a chance to be drafted. I don't know who that is quite yet, no MVC games have been played.

Can you think of anyone in the past who leapfrogged from outside of the preseason first five to be Player of the Year?[/quote]

Adam Emmenecker[/quote]

Interesting exception to the rule and one that carries over to the topic of at-large bids. I have said that December 6th is too soon to know with any certainty that the MVC is a one-bid league. The Cinderella season of Drake in 2007-2008 bears that out. Drake was the preseason pick to finish 9th. By December 6, they were 6-1 with wins over D3 Cornell College and D2 California San Diego. Which one of you not from Drake picked them to be good enough for an at-large bid on December 6, 2007? Show of hands?[/quote]

Wouldn't have picked them for an at large, but they hadn't eliminated themselves either. That is the argument that you don't seem to get.

[shocktheheart]

Could have fooled me that Indiana State has the second most fans posting on this site.

Who would your Player of the Year be, TheGuyWhoNeverAnswersMan, or do we have to wait til March before starting those discussions?

I haven't seen them all. The usual format is that you have to start the year anointed to the first team to have any chance at all. So only five players have a chance. It doesn't matter what anyone else did over the summer to improve their game. Pre-season picks are based on last year's performance. Those who vote for the pre-season top five aren't likely to change their minds, it would be a sign of weakness. Player of the Year will be the best player on the team that wins the regular season championship but only if that player was named to the pre-season top five AND has a chance to be drafted. I don't know who that is quite yet, no MVC games have been played.

Can you think of anyone in the past who leapfrogged from outside of the preseason first five to be Player of the Year?

Woodfox 09

[TheAnswerMan]

Who would your Player of the Year be, TheGuyWhoNeverAnswersMan, or do we have to wait til March before starting those discussions?

I haven't seen them all. The usual format is that you have to start the year anointed to the first team to have any chance at all. So only five players have a chance. It doesn't matter what anyone else did over the summer to improve their game. Pre-season picks are based on last year's performance. Those who vote for the pre-season top five aren't likely to change their minds, it would be a sign of weakness. Player of the Year will be the best player on the team that wins the regular season championship but only if that player was named to the pre-season top five AND has a chance to be drafted. I don't know who that is quite yet, no MVC games have been played.

Can you think of anyone in the past who leapfrogged from outside of the preseason first five to be Player of the Year?[/quote]

Adam Emmenecker[/quote]

Interesting exception to the rule and one that carries over to the topic of at-large bids. I have said that December 6th is too soon to know with any certainty that the MVC is a one-bid league. The Cinderella season of Drake in 2007-2008 bears that out. Drake was the preseason pick to finish 9th. By December 6, they were 6-1 with wins over D3 Cornell College and D2 California San Diego. Which one of you not from Drake picked them to be good enough for an at-large bid on December 6, 2007? Show of hands?[/quote]

Wouldn't have picked them for an at large, but they hadn't eliminated themselves either. That is the argument that you don't seem to get.[/quote]

Well then, how did we get to a one-bid league conclusion this year already? Did every team but WSU eliminate themselves already?

[shocktheheart]

Who would your Player of the Year be, TheGuyWhoNeverAnswersMan, or do we have to wait til March before starting those discussions?

I haven't seen them all. The usual format is that you have to start the year anointed to the first team to have any chance at all. So only five players have a chance. It doesn't matter what anyone else did over the summer to improve their game. Pre-season picks are based on last year's performance. Those who vote for the pre-season top five aren't likely to change their minds, it would be a sign of weakness. Player of the Year will be the best player on the team that wins the regular season championship but only if that player was named to the pre-season top five AND has a chance to be drafted. I don't know who that is quite yet, no MVC games have been played.

Can you think of anyone in the past who leapfrogged from outside of the preseason first five to be Player of the Year?

Adam Emmenecker[/quote]

Interesting exception to the rule and one that carries over to the topic of at-large bids. I have said that December 6th is too soon to know with any certainty that the MVC is a one-bid league. The Cinderella season of Drake in 2007-2008 bears that out. Drake was the preseason pick to finish 9th. By December 6, they were 6-1 with wins over D3 Cornell College and D2 California San Diego. Which one of you not from Drake picked them to be good enough for an at-large bid on December 6, 2007? Show of hands?[/quote]

Wouldn't have picked them for an at large, but they hadn't eliminated themselves either. That is the argument that you don't seem to get.[/quote]

Well then, how did we get to a one-bid league conclusion this year already? Did every team but WSU eliminate themselves already?[/quote]

WSU right now is the only one that looks like to get an at large, but there are four teams or so that still have a chance. Are you going to address the player of the year argument or are you going to skip over that? Two in the last six years who weren't on the preseason first team vote that received player of the year. Doesn't help your argument.

[Snaggletooth]

Interesting exception to the rule and one that carries over to the topic of at-large bids. I have said that December 6th is too soon to know with any certainty that the MVC is a one-bid league. The Cinderella season of Drake in 2007-2008 bears that out. Drake was the preseason pick to finish 9th. By December 6, they were 6-1 with wins over D3 Cornell College and D2 California San Diego. Which one of you not from Drake picked them to be good enough for an at-large bid on December 6, 2007? Show of hands?

Wasn't the mvc only a 1 bid league that year?

[shocktheheart]

Interesting exception to the rule and one that carries over to the topic of at-large bids. I have said that December 6th is too soon to know with any certainty that the MVC is a one-bid league. The Cinderella season of Drake in 2007-2008 bears that out. Drake was the preseason pick to finish 9th. By December 6, they were 6-1 with wins over D3 Cornell College and D2 California San Diego. Which one of you not from Drake picked them to be good enough for an at-large bid on December 6, 2007? Show of hands?

Wasn't the mvc only a 1 bid league that year?

Yes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NCAA_ ... Tournament

[BTbird]

That should have been a two bid year. All ISU had to do that year was not get blown out in the MVC Championship game and a bid was probably a lock. We lost to Drake by 30 on national TV and was never in the game. We dug our own grave that day missed the cut.

[TheAnswerMan]

WSU right now is the only one that looks like to get an at large, but there are four teams or so that still have a chance. Are you going to address the player of the year argument or are you going to skip over that? Two in the last six years who weren't on the preseason first team vote that received player of the year. Doesn't help your argument.

Thanks for finally acknowledging that there are at least 4 teams that have a chance to get an at-large bid. That was like pulling teeth. I addressed the Player of the Year discussion. I believe that it is too early to make that prediction. None of the MVC teams have had equal schedules. Individual stats derived from unequal opponents cannot be measured against each other with any reliability. That said, inertia speaks to those voting. No one claimed that they could be reasonable. Secretly, the voters have already chosen the winner, it would take a miracle to get them to change their minds. And if in 2008, the miracle year, Drake rose from a predicted 9th to "only" 3rd instead of 1st, Emennecker, even with the same great stats, would have been an also-ran. To the victor goes the Player of the Year.

You bought hook, line and sinker the story from another commenter that McDermott was not on the preseason 1st team as a sophomore when he won his first Player of the Year award. Not only were they wrong but McDermott was on the Naismith watch list before the season began.

[Snaggletooth]

That should have been a two bid year. All ISU had to do that year was not get blown out in the MVC Championship game and a bid was probably a lock. We lost to Drake by 30 on national TV and was never in the game. We dug our own grave that day missed the cut.

If one loss knocks you out of an at-large I would hardly describe you at being "probably a lock". I think ISUR 0-5 record versus Top 25 was more damaging to their "a lock" status.

What a trip down mememory lane - Drake dropping a turd as the 5 seed.

[shocktheheart]

WSU right now is the only one that looks like to get an at large, but there are four teams or so that still have a chance. Are you going to address the player of the year argument or are you going to skip over that? Two in the last six years who weren't on the preseason first team vote that received player of the year. Doesn't help your argument.

Thanks for finally acknowledging that there are at least 4 teams that have a chance to get an at-large bid. That was like pulling teeth. I addressed the Player of the Year discussion. I believe that it is too early to make that prediction. None of the MVC teams have had equal schedules. Individual stats derived from unequal opponents cannot be measured against each other with any reliability. That said, inertia speaks to those voting. No one claimed that they could be reasonable. Secretly, the voters have already chosen the winner, it would take a miracle to get them to change their minds. And if in 2008, the miracle year, Drake rose from a predicted 9th to "only" 3rd instead of 1st, Emennecker, even with the same great stats, would have been an also-ran. To the victor goes the Player of the Year.

You bought hook, line and sinker the story from another commenter that McDermott was not on the preseason 1st team as a sophomore when he won his first Player of the Year award. Not only were they wrong but McDermott was on the Naismith watch list before the season began.

I never said there was only one team that had an at large chance. What about Woodfox...you didn't address that player? That is two players in the last six years.