MVC going to 12 with UIC and UTA?

[MissouriValleyUnite]

VUGrad, your presence is missed and welcome back here, but Wichita St isn’t happening. WSU gets ~$2M in AAC media rights and their mega-rich boosters *want* their investments visible in DFW, Houston, San Antonio, Memphis, New Orleans, Miami, Tampa, Charlotte, & Philadelphia, not the Valley locales.

WSU also has a $5M exit fee.

I doubt it's a $5million exit fee since they don't play football and is the $2million figure you cited for their media rights under the current contract or the new one they just negotiated? Because I'm willing to bet it's far less now than it was and back then the number I heard was something between $2-3million. Based on the numbers I think the AAC pulled in I think that number would be down to about $1-1.5million. Still a lot but probably not much more when travel is factored in as well as what Belmont and Murray State would do for any future MVC media deal. The market argument is solid and worthy of consideration but most of the schools they added lack support in their home markets. It didn't work for CUSA I don't see it working for the AAC. Not in basketball anyway.

The regular AAC exit fee is $10 million. WSU's is 1/2 at $5 million despite a 30% share in media rights.
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/w ... 36813.html

A 30% share of media rights was $2.1 million. My understanding is the AAC kept its media rights deal, but the 6 new members were swapped in at 50% shares of the 3 XII schools.

[VUGrad1314]

I thought there was a post departure deal that was going to be way less like after the current deal ends there was a new deal that would kick in with a big haircut. Nevertheless if the new school numbers are what we can expect going forward in a new media deal after this one ($3.5 per year) that would mean about $1.05million for Wichita State and probably less if any other prominent schools (like Memphis or SMU) move.

[MissouriValleyUnite]

I thought there was a post departure deal that was going to be way less like after the current deal ends there was a new deal that would kick in with a big haircut. Nevertheless if the new school numbers are what we can expect going forward in a new media deal after this one ($3.5 per year) that would mean about $1.05million for Wichita State and probably less if any other prominent schools (like Memphis or SMU) move.

It's in here.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-the-aa ... 15069.html

There are still some final details to work out. A significant boost in television money for the six schools is expected, but they are not expected to get the same share of the TV revenue that the established eight schools currently get.

Conference USA schools currently receive less than $1 million annually in television revenue. The amount they will receive is still being finalized, but the television revenue will be more than $2 million at the start of the deal and rise significantly from there. Incumbent AAC members are still expected to average about $7 million annually over the course of the current ESPN television deal, which runs through 2031-32.

[IllinoisState]

Apparantly there's a Murray State football booster who doesn't want them being non-scholarship.

Well then he needs to be outvoted. Sorry but neither school nor conference can afford to let FCS football stand in the way of this.

It wouldn't be about them being out voted. It would be about them not giving the program money.

[E-Villan]

I don't care if the AAC exit fee is $1, you can knock off the pining for Wichita State at any time.

[VUGrad1314]

I don't care if the AAC exit fee is $1, you can knock off the pining for Wichita State at any time.

I'm not pining for them at all. However if they were forced to return there is no practical reason to say no. Bad blood or not their program would help this league remain a top mid major conference significantly.

[VUGrad1314]

Well then he needs to be outvoted. Sorry but neither school nor conference can afford to let FCS football stand in the way of this.

It wouldn't be about them being out voted. It would be about them not giving the program money.

I'm sure Murray State can survive without a football booster's money most of which probably goes to football anyway. If one donor is holding up their athletic department financially then they have far more problems than I realize and that would make me a bit worried about their candidacy.

[VUGrad1314]

I thought there was a post departure deal that was going to be way less like after the current deal ends there was a new deal that would kick in with a big haircut. Nevertheless if the new school numbers are what we can expect going forward in a new media deal after this one ($3.5 per year) that would mean about $1.05million for Wichita State and probably less if any other prominent schools (like Memphis or SMU) move.

It's in here.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-the-aa ... 15069.html

There are still some final details to work out. A significant boost in television money for the six schools is expected, but they are not expected to get the same share of the TV revenue that the established eight schools currently get.

Conference USA schools currently receive less than $1 million annually in television revenue. The amount they will receive is still being finalized, but the television revenue will be more than $2 million at the start of the deal and rise significantly from there. Incumbent AAC members are still expected to average about $7 million annually over the course of the current ESPN television deal, which runs through 2031-32.

My mistake I thought the current deal expired in 2025. Still I advocate for 11\20 with Murray State and let a 12th emerge because UTA and UIC ain't it. I mean seriously. I can't believe we're even debating any other option. Murray State has a NET of 48 which would be third in the MVC if we count Belmont who is already in. The rest of these candidates? Only UMKC is (barely) in the top 200 at #200. The other two aren't even in the top 250. I don't care about markets. They aren't going to help this conference accomplish any of its goals in any meaningful way. We're not going to suddenly be flooded with applications for our schools because we play in Chicago or DFW. I wish it worked that way but it doesn't. Get Murray State and be done with it. Or open it up to other candidates who are actually good at the only sport that matters for our twelfth. I suggest South Dakota State (NET 98 and usually as good or better than this). Get those two and let's end the insanity of picking schools that haven't consistently been in the top 100 since before the kids they're recruiting were born if ever.

[E-Villan]

I don't care if the AAC exit fee is $1, you can knock off the pining for Wichita State at any time.

I'm not pining for them at all. However if they were forced to return there is no practical reason to say no. Bad blood or not their program would help this league remain a top mid major conference significantly.

You know what would help our league remain a top mid-major? Our two schools getting their crap together for men's basketball.

Shocker fans spent all their time telling us if they ever got out of the MVC, two things would happen. They would bask in eternal glory, and the MVC would collapse into a pile a rubble. Neither happened.

Your younger and just joined the league after them. I am older, and have followed this league for nearly 30 years. You see the Final Four run, and I remember how horrible they were through the 90's as well. The one thing that is certain at this level, is very few things stay the same.

Despite our institutional differences, I respect every school in this conference. I respect Creighton and Loyola as well, but I can't say the same for Wichita. It goes deeper than the fact they have an abnormally high number of online asshats. Marshall's antics were allowed to go on far too long. The last run of success they had in the 80's ended in probation, and certainly let's not forget the school literally looked the other way when their baseball coach ordered a 90+mph fastball to the temple of an opposing player who was literally standing in the on-deck circle. Sorry, that's a little more significant than some Wichita keyboard warrior living in his parents basement.

They don't want back, and we don't need them.

[tribecalledquest]

I don't care if the AAC exit fee is $1, you can knock off the pining for Wichita State at any time.

I'm not pining for them at all. However if they were forced to return there is no practical reason to say no. Bad blood or not their program would help this league remain a top mid major conference significantly.

You know what would help our league remain a top mid-major? Our two schools getting their crap together for men's basketball.

Yes. This league is only going to be as good as the current nine members (minus Loyola and Belmont) are. There has been a LOT of underachieving the last 10 or so seasons.