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Postby DOFO » February 24th, 2013, 12:26 pm

Some how Creighton's non - conference SOS went up about 50 spots yesterday???

CU is 46 and WSU is in the 80s
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Re: Tie-Breaker

Postby shocks771 » February 24th, 2013, 1:51 pm

Yeah, I don't quite understand how it jumped so much based on one game. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Oh well, the Shockers still control their own destiny.
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Re: Tie-Breaker

Postby MVCfans » February 24th, 2013, 1:59 pm

DOFO wrote:Some how Creighton's non - conference SOS went up about 50 spots yesterday???

CU is 46 and WSU is in the 80s

Source? I'll check with Kern for the updated numbers that the MVC uses tomorrow.
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Re: Tie-Breaker

Postby shocks771 » February 24th, 2013, 2:04 pm

I looked on ESPN and CBS Sports websites and both have Creighton in the upper 40's non-con SOS and WSU in the low 70's. That's a pretty crazy jump, up almost 50 spots, for Creighton based on one game.
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Re: Tie-Breaker

Postby Hacksaw » February 24th, 2013, 2:06 pm

I'll be really interested to see what The RPI Report has for Non-Con SOS, but ESPN, CBS, and live-rpi all agree that Creighton's OOC SOS is now better than WSU's. If this holds, it moves the #1 seed probabilities for Creighton from 13% to 34% (Weighted 6% to 46%). WSU's #1 seed probabilities moves from 84% to 63% (Weighted 92% to 52%). Both teams would control their own destiny for the #1 seed.
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Re: Tie-Breaker

Postby MVCfans » February 24th, 2013, 2:12 pm

Hacksaw wrote:I'll be really interested to see what The RPI Report has for Non-Con SOS, but ESPN, CBS, and live-rpi all agree that Creighton's OOC SOS is now better than WSU's. If this holds, it moves the #1 seed probabilities for Creighton from 13% to 34% (Weighted 6% to 46%). WSU's #1 seed probabilities moves from 84% to 63% (Weighted 92% to 52%). Both teams would control their own destiny for the #1 seed.

Remarkable, if true. Trying to think of what else has happened to have affected the numbers that much.
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Re: Tie-Breaker

Postby Hacksaw » February 24th, 2013, 2:19 pm

Remarkable, if true. Trying to think of what else has happened to have affected the numbers that much.

Actually, this is purely on the OOC SOS. Both WSU and CU are favored in their mid-week games, and per realtimerpi.com, CU is favored at home vs WSU. So, base projections expect a tie for first, with the H2H split, and the seed comes down to OOC SOS.
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Re: Tie-Breaker

Postby MVCfans » February 24th, 2013, 3:41 pm

Someone pointed me to this tweet from Creighton SID Rob Anderson:

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Latest non-con SOS numbers for MVC MBB: UNI 13, INS 31, CREIGHTON 48, WSU 72, DU 99, MSU 112, UE 118, ILS 218, SIU 311, BU 337.
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Re: Tie-Breaker

Postby MVCfans » February 24th, 2013, 4:23 pm

From MVC Associate Commissioner, Mike Kern today:

RPI NCSS
30 Wichita St. 72
41 Creighton 48
61 Indiana St. 31
72 Northern Iowa 13
116 Illinois St. 218
118 Evansville 118
152 Drake 99
167 Bradley 337
195 Southern Ill. 311
209 Missouri St. 112
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Re: Tie-Breaker

Postby GoShockers89 » February 24th, 2013, 4:36 pm

That is very interesting.

Can an informed person tell me whether home/road weighting is factored into the SoS (similar to RPI)? That could explain CU's massive one game bump. Otherwise, I cannot understand how WSU playing a team with an RPI of 62 would drop the SoS 6 spots, while Creighton playing a team with an RPI of 41 results in an improvement of 60 spots.
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