Big Sky moving to 11/20 format

[IWokeUpLikeThis]

A shoestring budget league with geography expanding from Flagstaff to Sacramento to 5 hours east of Seattle to Panhandle of Idaho to Montana to Colorado has found a way to make 11/20 work.

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

Really no excuse. Mvc will not move forward while Elgin is in charge

[tribecalledquest]

A shoestring budget league with geography expanding from Flagstaff to Sacramento to 5 hours east of Seattle to Panhandle of Idaho to Montana to Colorado has found a way to make 11/20 work.

And how is this good for the Big Sky? And why should the MVC follow suit?

[BCPanther]

The Big Sky also doesn't have TV deals that dictate when games have to be played and they play their league tournament a week later with their championship game on freaking ESPNU. If we start doing things based on what the Big Sky does we might as well shut it down.

And for the millionth time, Doug Elgin works for the University presidents. He can't do a damn thing until they decide they want to expand or make any other significant changes.

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

And for the millionth time, Doug Elgin works for the University presidents. He can't do a damn thing until they decide they want to expand or make any other significant changes.

You act like Elgin sits there and does nothing for 99% of the time unless the President's tell him to do something. Like a puppet. To me, doing nothing until being told is useless and if that is what he is doing then it's time to go. That's not what we want. We want someone with vision who will go to the President's and convince them to increase the presence of the league. Doing nothing is taking a step back because others will catch up. To even stay afloat you have to do more. To advance your position you need to do a lot. In short, it doesn't matter if the President's have the final say, we need someone in Elgin's position that isn't comfortable with the status quo that isn't afraid to tell the President's that they are making the wrong choice. Someone to fight for the MVC. Apparently, BCPanther is comfortable with the league as it. Sorry, I'm not.

[BCPanther]

And for the millionth time, Doug Elgin works for the University presidents. He can't do a damn thing until they decide they want to expand or make any other significant changes.

You act like Elgin sits there and does nothing for 99% of the time unless the President's tell him to do something. Like a puppet. To me, doing nothing until being told is useless and if that is what he is doing then it's time to go. That's not what we want. We want someone with vision who will go to the President's and convince them to increase the presence of the league. Doing nothing is taking a step back because others will catch up. To even stay afloat you have to do more. To advance your position you need to do a lot. In short, it doesn't matter if the President's have the final say, we need someone in Elgin's position that isn't comfortable with the status quo that isn't afraid to tell the President's that they are making the wrong choice. Someone to fight for the MVC. Apparently, BCPanther is comfortable with the league as it. Sorry, I'm not.

I'm not comfortable with adding a school just to say we did it. If there were a real home run add out there, sure let's do it and make 11 work but that team doesn't exist right now. I'm also not ready to just jump right into a 20 game schedule just because a shitty low major league is doing it. The last thing any of us need right now is less flexibility in dates where we can schedule non-con games. If we go to 20, we're basically off the market to find decent games as of December 15th every year (Finals, Christmas). That's scheduling suicide when the teams from leagues that you want to play are still looking for games on those dates.

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

And for the millionth time, Doug Elgin works for the University presidents. He can't do a damn thing until they decide they want to expand or make any other significant changes.

You act like Elgin sits there and does nothing for 99% of the time unless the President's tell him to do something. Like a puppet. To me, doing nothing until being told is useless and if that is what he is doing then it's time to go. That's not what we want. We want someone with vision who will go to the President's and convince them to increase the presence of the league. Doing nothing is taking a step back because others will catch up. To even stay afloat you have to do more. To advance your position you need to do a lot. In short, it doesn't matter if the President's have the final say, we need someone in Elgin's position that isn't comfortable with the status quo that isn't afraid to tell the President's that they are making the wrong choice. Someone to fight for the MVC. Apparently, BCPanther is comfortable with the league as it. Sorry, I'm not.

I'm not comfortable with adding a school just to say we did it.

My point is they aren't doing ANYTHING! They are sitting on their ass while conferences make moves. Eventually, they are going to watch conference move past them while they're idle. Again, doing nothing is taking a step back because other conferences are moving. Just to maintain position they have to do more. To improve position they need to do A LOT more.

[RacerJoeD]

With the number of bigger money conferences going to more and more conference games, the idea that the smaller conferences going to more conference games as somehow “taking away flexibility “ is a bit silly. Flexible to do what? Schedule D2/SWAC schools?

[BEARZ77]

My point is they aren't doing ANYTHING! They are sitting on their ass while conferences make moves. Eventually, they are going to watch conference move past them while they're idle. Again, doing nothing is taking a step back because other conferences are moving. Just to maintain position they have to do more. To improve position they need to do A LOT more.

While I agree that I would like to see the league in a more proactive role, just doing stuff to be doing it because other leagues are is silly. I've always been in favor of selective expansion and Murray is fine by me, but I've never equated that with increased bids or status just as Valpo didn't result in that this year; and Valpo is a fine program. Much of what I see being suggested here is just so much rearranging the deck chairs on the Titatnic, with likely similar impact. I don't have the answer other than under the current structure[ NCAA] individual teams will have to carve out their own increased opportunities thru aggressive scheduling and winning. That's what works when a team does it; it's hard to do, becoming incresingly more difficult to do, but it does work when done. Getting more wins against Valley teams , even quality Valley teams, doesn't sway the moment. When MSU got snubbed with a 21 RPI, they had more top 50 wins than many other teams selected to go, but a majority were against other Valley teams and so they were discounted. Creighton also had a similar year that season and people forget they also got snubbed & we could have had 6 teams based on RPI and top 50 wins criteria. Didn't matter.

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

My point is they aren't doing ANYTHING! They are sitting on their ass while conferences make moves. Eventually, they are going to watch conference move past them while they're idle. Again, doing nothing is taking a step back because other conferences are moving. Just to maintain position they have to do more. To improve position they need to do A LOT more.

While I agree that I would like to see the league in a more proactive role, just doing stuff to be doing it because other leagues are is silly.

They don't have to this specific move that the Big Sky just made but there are numerous options they could have taken and they have stayed put. And, they will continue to because that is what the MVC does.