MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team league

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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby uniftw » April 8th, 2017, 2:56 pm

Dawgbit wrote:Murray State has had a "winning tradition" primarily because they play very weak competition, both in and out of conference. They made many NCAA appearances, by winning OVC tournament (cough, cough), have never advanced past second round. If my memory serves me correctly. they have not been to the Dance since Belmont joined the league. They are legends in their own minds, and they are located in Podunck, Kentucky. I would love to see SLU, but it ain't gonna happen. Sad to see the MVC so watered down that people are excited about Murray State, ugh.

Creighton never got out of the first weekend.

WSU only got out of the first weekend twice. Their entire reputation is based on one magical run with freshman that never reached that level again. They had those two All Emrocan gaurds for three more years, only once made it out of the first weekend with them

I guess we wouldn't take either of them back. They are disqualified by your criteria
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby PurpleAcesFootball » April 8th, 2017, 4:05 pm

Are we for sure that the conference is looking to add two members in Valpo and Murray St?

I just ask because I have very little confidence in the administration conference-wide. I can see them doing a used car salesman like job and telling both schools that the first one to respond gets invited, and the other does not.

I like the addition of both with either a KC or Omaha addition on the western edge as well. Given the budget constraints of Carbondale, both ISUs,'and MSU I just don't see a massive geographic expansion in the cards at this time. (And you know the privates Drake and UE won't open up their checkbook anytime soon either.)
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby Drakey » April 8th, 2017, 4:41 pm

PurpleAcesFootball wrote:Are we for sure that the conference is looking to add two members in Valpo and Murray St?

I just ask because I have very little confidence in the administration conference-wide. I can see them doing a used car salesman like job and telling both schools that the first one to respond gets invited, and the other does not.

I like the addition of both with either a KC or Omaha addition on the western edge as well. Given the budget constraints of Carbondale, both ISUs,'and MSU I just don't see a massive geographic expansion in the cards at this time. (And you know the privates Drake and UE won't open up their checkbook anytime soon either.)


According to another thread on this site, Drake and Evansville already outspend four of the public schools in the Valley. Drake just increased it's budget again with the hiring of our new coach. I would be more concerned about the schools we add having a budget close to other Valley schools.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby MurrayStateFan » April 8th, 2017, 5:19 pm

Hey guys- I'm a Murray native and Murray State grad. I've been following the MVC for several years now, having watched games at UNI, Drake, Creighton, and MO State. I live in STL now, and have been to Arch Madness a couple of times. I can tell you as a Murray State fan, I'd love to see us leave the OVC for some better competition.

Murray is a tiny place- it's my home town, but there is not a ton going on. That said, I watched the town set itself on fire (in a great way) in 11-12 when Dickie V came to town. We sold out our arena (which is solidly OK- a 1998-built box that seats 8600 or so) several times that season. When Murray wins- the fans pour in. When we lose....not so much. We had our first losing season in 30 years this year, a tough spot having just lost Prohm to Iowa State. I like the direction we are heading, and I've seen us have some tough years- we will bounce back.

The fan base travels well, albeit likely not to Iowa or northern Indiana. But to the Tournament- absolutely.

At the end of the day, I love my alma mater, I love my hometown- as a fan, I hate waching my team play the likes of UT Martin and Jacksonville State. To put things in context, the OVC moved its Tournament from Bridgestone Arena to the Municipal Auditorium in Nashville a few years ago. Huge downgrade. Next year, we're leaving Nashville and our tournament will be held in Evansville....woof.

This fan wants into the MVC...but I don't have a lot of faith that Murray State administration or the OVC will make that a likely possibility. We're pretty well known for getting in our own way.

If you have any questions about Murray- let me know.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby pafan » April 8th, 2017, 6:16 pm

Murray State has brought more visiting fans to the Ford Center in recent years than any other Aces opponent I can think of. Certainly more than ISUb or SIU. (SIU would probably be second)

Also, I quite like going to Murray myself...
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby TOPSTRAIGHT » April 8th, 2017, 8:24 pm

Here is a suggestion:

GOSSIP from the CSNBBS.com message board(lounge forum college sports and realignment section)

(Yesterday 11:59 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:
Add Valpo(or UIC),Murray,AND Belmont to make twelve.

SOUTH

--Murray
--Belmont
--Evansville
--Indiana St.
--Missouri St.
--Southern Illinois

NORTH

--Illinois State
--Bradley
--Loyola
--Valparaiso(or UIC)
--Drake
--Northern Iowa


Travel partners,strength in tradition good Rpi schools,Nashviile and Chicago.

You could also still use the scheduling/travel advantages w/o strict divisions.18 game schedule or other models.
Iwokeuplikethis wrote---
" Illinois St beat writer tweeted he's heard Belmont wants in MVC "badly". Mark Adams tweeted the list he's heard most often, and in order, 1 Belmont 2 Murray 3 Valpo. Belmont rejected MVC 4 years ago so who knows what to believe.

From afar, it seems logical the MVC would leak the 11 team Valpo/Murray model to pressure Belmont. But that would require that conference to be strategic which is hard to imagine."
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby PurpleAcesFootball » April 8th, 2017, 8:52 pm

TOPSTRAIGHT wrote:Here is a suggestion:

GOSSIP from the CSNBBS.com message board(lounge forum college sports and realignment section)

(Yesterday 11:59 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:
Add Valpo(or UIC),Murray,AND Belmont to make twelve.

SOUTH

--Murray
--Belmont
--Evansville
--Indiana St.
--Missouri St.
--Southern Illinois

NORTH

--Illinois State
--Bradley
--Loyola
--Valparaiso(or UIC)
--Drake
--Northern Iowa


Travel partners,strength in tradition good Rpi schools,Nashviile and Chicago.

You could also still use the scheduling/travel advantages w/o strict divisions.18 game schedule or other models.
Iwokeuplikethis wrote---
" Illinois St beat writer tweeted he's heard Belmont wants in MVC "badly". Mark Adams tweeted the list he's heard most often, and in order, 1 Belmont 2 Murray 3 Valpo. Belmont rejected MVC 4 years ago so who knows what to believe.

From afar, it seems logical the MVC would leak the 11 team Valpo/Murray model to pressure Belmont. But that would require that conference to be strategic which is hard to imagine."


I love that 12 team conference and divisional alignment. Would be perfect, IMO.

I would be slightly concerned about dropping down to 16 conference games. Only from a selfish perspective - I don't want UE to schedule 2 more SWAC games!
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby Drakey » April 8th, 2017, 9:06 pm

Is there any reason not to play 22 conference games? With the difficulty in scheduling out of conference opponents, cut it down to seven and maybe we could be more selective.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby Murraygrad05 » April 8th, 2017, 9:40 pm

Love the enthusiasm on this board... The OVC does not have this. We do for Racer nation, but the conference as a whole just does not give a crap.

Murray St guy here and I really hope that we can make this happen. For years now our OVC administration has been, to put it nicely, a joke. From keeping the tournament at Municipal Auditorium that is in horrible shape, to the addition of SIU-E when we had Northern Kentucky basically begging to come in. Since we divided in to the god forsaken east and west divisions... ugh... we have lost all of the old rivalries except Austin Peay. Belmont has been a thorn in our side the last few years, but regardless of what ESPN says they are not our most hated rival. OVC officiating is HORRID. And I mean horrid. Not like Kentucky death threat horrid, but it's bad.

I would like to point out also to add to some of the posts I've seen on here about our tradition of winning is that we also hold a CIT championship from 2014. I know it's a CIT and whoopee to some, but we beat some really good teams to win that tournament. If you look at our RPI you have to factor in our conference influence on that. We traditionally have teams sub 300 in the RPI and have done nothing to improve themselves in the basketball area.

We travel well as the Evansville fan said. SIU and Evansville have long been regional rivals to us and usually are great games. This year we sucked it up, but we've also had to rebuild basically our whole team from when Prohm bolted. A lot of young guys and new faces but we will get better. But our track record against the MVC has proven that we can and should compete well in the conference. I love our series with SIU and Evansville more than I like our OVC games. And when we had the Indiana St. series that was a great series too. Illinois St. the past 2 or 3 years (can't remember if we played 2 or 3) have been great games.

For the campus we traditionally have a large number of students from the St. Louis area and this may be a great recruiting tool for the university in that aspect. It is not the largest city or campus, but we eat, sleep, and live basketball. You cannot go anywhere in town and not here about the game last night or what kind of team we will have next year.

I do not see Belmont being open to the idea of joining based on they joined the OVC to reduce costs. That goes for travel and the such. And also they just do not have the fan support. They have Vince Gill that pours who knows how much $$$$ in to the university, and also is allowed to have conferences with officials and make them question calls during games and we do have proof of that if you would like to see it. Another example is when they played Tennessee St., both teams in Nashville, less than 1,000 people showed up to watch it. And they were the first place team in the conference. There just is not any college basketball support in Nashville unless you are Vandy and even they struggle. Period. It's just hard for me to see them joining. And that's not because they have beat us the past few years and I don't want them to follow us. :D

So glad to be on this board to discuss and hopefully we will be seeing each other soon.
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Re: MVC targeting Valpo & Murray State to create 11 team lea

Postby Murraygrad05 » April 8th, 2017, 10:14 pm

Dawgbit wrote:Murray State has had a "winning tradition" primarily because they play very weak competition, both in and out of conference. They made many NCAA appearances, by winning OVC tournament (cough, cough), have never advanced past second round. If my memory serves me correctly. they have not been to the Dance since Belmont joined the league. They are legends in their own minds, and they are located in Podunck, Kentucky. I would love to see SLU, but it ain't gonna happen. Sad to see the MVC so watered down that people are excited about Murray State, ugh.


:roll:

We have had the same problem the MVC has. No power 5 conference wants to schedule you when you are successful because they would lose too much if they lost.

No we are not legends in our own minds, but we do have a very highly regarded program by knowledgeable basketball fans.
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