Stickboy46 wrote:BirdsEyeView wrote:
Often the $250K-$500K salary is an increase from a low major to a mid-major. You were hinting that fan support is what will get you the next great coach at WSU, but that requires a good AD with a keen eye on hiring a good, up and coming coach. I am only arguing initial hire since that's what you were referencing, that's it. Your reference to fan support is not overly relevant for hiring on a coach. Nor is it relevant if an ungodly number is thrown out by a school trying to poach and your school can't match it.
Just have to agree to disagree. Fan Support is often mentioned as a reason to take a job. WSU still had a higher level of fan support at the point that Turgeon was hired than any other school in the MVC this year.
Your fan support wasn't even enough to keep Gregg Marshall given the stories that Charles Koch had to lead a group of donors to help raise funds to keep him there after the offer came in.
WSU did not match Alabama's offer by a long shot, yet Marshall did not leave. So this is factually incorrect.ISUr, just like every other MVC team, can hire in the next Gregg Marshall initially. Who is to say Drake's new Coach Medved isn't the next Gregg Marshall? The problem and the lucky part for Wichita is that you have the money to keep said coach when the P5 comes calling.
We do not.
ISUr could keep a coach until someone comes calling. At that point, unless we have donors willing to increase his salary substantially to nearly match I am guessing he is gone. Fan support or not.
Your entire beliefs are prefaced on a false premise that fan support matters when hiring the next coach and that fan support will manage to keep WSU relevant. It's great to have that support, but it won't mean you will get to maintain or continue to grow the level you were at.
Fan support = $$$$ ... Money = maintaining and keeping good coaches. You can't keep your coach with a decent offer (not talking 4 million here, but more like 1-1.5 million) because you don't have fan support at a high level and don't have high level donors. One or the other and you would be fine.The University of Illinois lost their coach, have the support, have the donors, have everything you would need to be successful, yet have not been. Why? They hired Bruce Weber who could not leverage the Final Four he reached with Bill Self's players. Then hired John Groce who could not recruit well enough to compete in the Big 10 and even make the NCAA Tournament.
Illinois has what WSU has. Fan Support, money, donors, etc. and yet they were not able to match the success of Bill Self (coming from Tulsa) to maintain the status.
Initially, Illinois was able to hire Bill Self (again an upgrade from mid-major to high major...similar to Turgeon/Marshall low major to mid-major) but once they lost him, their fan support/program support was not enough to keep thier level of play the same and they have dropped off...fan support withstanding.
And they just hired Underwood for 3 million or so a year. Without that continued support, they couldn't have done that. Underwood is a pretty proven coach. He may not succeed but has the potential to.
I never said anything about the money was not a match. All I said was fan support was not enough, they STILL had to ask big donors for money to get closer to that $4 million.
Illinois has big time Football revenue. Illinois has big time donors. Illinois hired him with P5 money, not due to fan support (they quit selling out games in recent years)