What's the next realignment domino to fall?

[mvfcfan]

The Valley is D1 in all sports. The playoffs we compete in for football are the highest level playoff system ran by the NCAA. The CFP is not ran by the NCAA. What would be worse than being FCS is being in a Group 5 conference where you can't compete for anything except some meaningless bowl game at the end of the season.

And yes Mikovio I know that you don't care about FCS football, but your team (Bradley) also doesn't sponsor football. FCS might not be as popular as big time football, but there are a lot of people out there that do follow it and care about it. There are actually a lot of FCS programs out there where more people follow their football team than their basketball team. But there are a lot more schools out there gaining tradition in football than in basketball, mainly because we can compete at the FCS level. It's hard to gain tradition in basketball when you play in a one bid league where you are never going to have a chance to realistically compete. This is why a lot of smaller public schools are choosing to dump a lot of money into football.

The thing that's most laughable on here is some of you acting like we can realistically compete for a national championship in basketball. Like we could, but are we ever going to? Like when was the last time a mid major ever won a national championship in basketball? Like Bradley spends over 3 million a year on basketball and when was the last time they were competing for national championships in basketball? This kind of reminds me of Lloyd in Dumb & Dumber when he says "So you're telling me there's a chance?" In football, even though it's FCS, there actually is a very realistic chance of competing for a national title, especially since the Valley is not a one bid league. More like a 4 bid league in a 24 team playoff. The MVFC has had a team in the title game each of the past 6 seasons. I'd expect to see one this year too.

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

The point is they can't even have a chance to compete for the highest level in football. You keep saying but the cfp isn't run by the NCAA. Who gives a s***? The cfp is still higher than the NCAA in football. Stop purposely being stupid. At least in basketball they have a chance. In football there isn't even a chance.

[uniftw]

The point is they can't even have a chance to compete for the highest level in football. You keep saying but the cfp isn't run by the NCAA. Who gives a s***? The cfp is still higher than the NCAA in football. Stop purposely being stupid. At least in basketball they have a chance. In football there isn't even a chance.

So why should anyone sponsor football? Why should any JUCO, D2 D3 or NAIA sponsor any sports at all?

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

The point is they can't even have a chance to compete for the highest level in football. You keep saying but the cfp isn't run by the NCAA. Who gives a s***? The cfp is still higher than the NCAA in football. Stop purposely being stupid. At least in basketball they have a chance. In football there isn't even a chance.

So why should anyone sponsor football? Why should any JUCO, D2 D3 or NAIA sponsor any sports at all?

Money wise they shouldn't. It's not profitable. It's engrained I to American society though. With all the CTE stuff recently I imagine with 50 years they won't.

[Fargobison]

For argument sake let's say they do actually make a profit if $500,000k. Big deal. That pays for the assistant coaches.

The profit is more like $3 million...The article you quoted said that not all donations are part of the equation. I happen to know the numbers...Of the $4 million booster money the football program generates only about $1.2 million is recorded as revenue since it goes directly to cover scholarship costs for the football program. The mission of the booster club is to pay for every athletic scholarship for the athletic department plus cost of attendance for every student athlete as well.

Because of NDSU's football program and the revenue it generates the school can afford to pay cost of attendance to every student athlete.

NDSU's football program is very much the exception at the FCS level. Financially the school is probably better off at the FCS level vs the G5 level since going to a MAC type of conference would probably just result in increased expenses with little opportunity for new revenue streams.

[mvfcfan]

I just don't get what the issue is with football on this board. If a school wants to have a football team or doesn't want to have a football team then why does it matter? I just don't what the point of trashing football on this thread is. I'm not on here demanding that Bradley, Evansville, Drake, Loyola, and Valpo sponsor scholarship football. I'm just defending a sport my school sponsors. The fact remains that it is possible to be successful in both as every public in the MVC has proven.

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

I just don't get what the issue is with football on this board. If a school wants to have a football team or doesn't want to have a football team then why does it matter? I just don't what the point of trashing football on this thread is. I'm not on here demanding that Bradley, Evansville, Drake, Loyola, and Valpo sponsor scholarship football. I'm just defending a sport my school sponsors. The fact remains that it is possible to be successful in both as every public in the MVC has proven.

I don't have a problem with football. I quite enjoy it. Some seem to think its more important than men's basketball and that's just not the case at the FCS level. Chance and exposure are higher in men's basketball at the FCS level. And, really at the FBS level too unless you're a P5 or in the Mountain West...or BYU or Notre Dame. So, you're talking about a total of around 60 teams in the whole United States that actually have a good reason for football. The rest don't really have a good reason its just high profile and engrained into American society.

[rally]

I just don't get what the issue is with football on this board. If a school wants to have a football team or doesn't want to have a football team then why does it matter? I just don't what the point of trashing football on this thread is. I'm not on here demanding that Bradley, Evansville, Drake, Loyola, and Valpo sponsor scholarship football. I'm just defending a sport my school sponsors. The fact remains that it is possible to be successful in both as every public in the MVC has proven.

You proposed that the football schools split-off and join the Summit schools for an all sports conference and the conversation took off from there. It's really more on debating the merits of prioritizing FCS football at a conference or institutional level. Most have a different opinion than your own.

[glm38]

I just don't get what the issue is with football on this board. If a school wants to have a football team or doesn't want to have a football team then why does it matter? I just don't what the point of trashing football on this thread is. I'm not on here demanding that Bradley, Evansville, Drake, Loyola, and Valpo sponsor scholarship football. I'm just defending a sport my school sponsors. The fact remains that it is possible to be successful in both as every public in the MVC has proven.

So it's ok for you to malign/put down NCAA basketball in the MVC saying FCS football is superior? But it's not ok for others on here to state the opposite opinion? That makes zero sense.

Again this is primarily a BASKETBALL forum. Most people on here are more concerned with MVC basketball than they are with FCS football.

[mvfcfan]

The point I'm trying to make is that both are important sports. Most schools are putting more money into football though since there is a better chance at making the playoffs and competing for a national title. And it's not an entirely crazy thought for football schools to play together while the non-football schools play together. After all the football playing Dakota schools have been outperforming the MVC privates the past several years in basketball.

The other point I was trying to make was just proven yesterday. We're never going to compete for national titles in basketball; especially when schools are paying one and done players $100,000 under the table to go to their school and wear a certain company's apparel, just so they can hire that company's agent.

Now making it to the Sweet 16 every 2-3 years is definitely realistic. Getting more than one bid in the future is questionable, but it could still happen once in a while.

But hey, the MVC might end up with the second best team in Kentucky after Louisville is either given the death penalty or is on serious probation.