REPORT: Murray to the Valley?

[Kip Dynamite]

New article from the news-leader today about Mo State and CUSA

https://www.news-leader.com/story/sport ... 545166002/

[Red]

New article from the news-leader today about Mo State and CUSA

https://www.news-leader.com/story/sport ... 545166002/

I suppose if you can get enough $1M paydays against SEC teams, you take it.

[VUGrad1314]

Lord help me I just don't get the appeal. This feels like willfully downgrading all sports plus adding a bunch of scholarships and travel expenses for no real gain. I am wholeheartedly against this move. I want the MVC to stay together and continue to grow as a conference not have to recover from further defections. Losing Missouri State would be a blow to everything that makes the Valley so special. Our baseball men's and women's basketball and volleyball wouldn't be the same. And all so the Bears can play in a conference with no media deal to speak of with a bunch of other recent FCS callups? I just don't get it. I can't see how this makes the school much money if at all. I don't see any winners here. I'm guessing this would then inspire Illinois State and UNI to consider the MAC (assuming they're expanding) and Loyola to consider the A-10 (if they would have them)? I don't want to see this conference get ripped apart from within. And what does this do to Belmont? If we lose one or more quality programs they probably bolt for the SOCON before we even got to know them in the conference. This is potentially very bad news and right as we were in the middle of a wonderful era and on the precipice of doing even more... I am sad... I mean good luck to Missouri State if they do leave but as an MVC fan I will be very unhappy.

[MSUBear42]

This feels like willfully downgrading all sports plus adding a bunch of scholarships and travel expenses for no real gain.

Missouri state now has almost 26,000 system students and almost 23,000 on the Springfield campus. Starting a couple years ago, the school has been making a big play to not only be known as the second largest school in the state but also more of a regional/national player, as well. Each of the last two years have set records with the most private donations given and most research grants given. The appeal is simple, the school (rightfully) view FBS as another avenue to increase the reach of the university and engage more alumni and inactive fans.

Losing Missouri State would be a blow to everything that makes the Valley so special. Our baseball men's and women's basketball and volleyball wouldn't be the same.

It would be impossible to not feel this same way. The relationships we have built up with the MVC have been awesome. It would suck to lose them.

And all so the Bears can play in a conference with no media deal to speak of with a bunch of other recent FCS callups?

And this is where you lose me. The MVC literally has no deal. What money we do get, barely covers the cost to run our local ESPN3 production. So even Conference USA’s awful (by FBS standards) $400K/school media payout is a… 700% (SEVEN HUNDRED PERCENT) increase over what we make in the MVC.

[VUGrad1314]

This feels like willfully downgrading all sports plus adding a bunch of scholarships and travel expenses for no real gain.

Missouri state now has almost 26,000 system students and almost 23,000 on the Springfield campus. Starting a couple years ago, the school has been making a big play to not only be known as the second largest school in the state but also more of a regional/national player, as well. Each of the last two years have set records with the most private donations given and most research grants given. The appeal is simple, the school (rightfully) view FBS as another avenue to increase the reach of the university and engage more alumni and inactive fans.

Losing Missouri State would be a blow to everything that makes the Valley so special. Our baseball men's and women's basketball and volleyball wouldn't be the same.

It would be impossible to not feel this same way. The relationships we have built up with the MVC have been awesome. It would suck to lose them.

And all so the Bears can play in a conference with no media deal to speak of with a bunch of other recent FCS callups?

And this is where you lose me. The MVC literally has no deal. What money we do get, barely covers the cost to run our local ESPN3 production. So even Conference USA’s awful (by FBS standards) $400K/school media payout is a… 700% (SEVEN HUNDRED PERCENT) increase over what we make in the MVC.

I have trouble believing that the payout is that low for the MVC but you may be right. But that $400K\year figure for CUSA was (I believe) before all of the defections. Is it really going to be better once the new CUSA is established? Whatever gains you make are just going to be eaten up in travel and scholarships and like I said all to (maybe hopefully one day) play in a bowl nobody watches or cares about and make the NCAA Tournament as MAYBE a 13 seed in a good year? Yeah I don't get it. Unless the outreach effects from this move are absolutely freaking amazing (which I am skeptical about as well). Like I said I see this as a major financial outlay with very little (if any) potential upside.

[Kyle_Saluki_17]

This feels like willfully downgrading all sports plus adding a bunch of scholarships and travel expenses for no real gain.

Missouri state now has almost 26,000 system students and almost 23,000 on the Springfield campus. Starting a couple years ago, the school has been making a big play to not only be known as the second largest school in the state but also more of a regional/national player, as well. Each of the last two years have set records with the most private donations given and most research grants given. The appeal is simple, the school (rightfully) view FBS as another avenue to increase the reach of the university and engage more alumni and inactive fans.

Losing Missouri State would be a blow to everything that makes the Valley so special. Our baseball men's and women's basketball and volleyball wouldn't be the same.

It would be impossible to not feel this same way. The relationships we have built up with the MVC have been awesome. It would suck to lose them.

And all so the Bears can play in a conference with no media deal to speak of with a bunch of other recent FCS callups?

And this is where you lose me. The MVC literally has no deal. What money we do get, barely covers the cost to run our local ESPN3 production. So even Conference USA’s awful (by FBS standards) $400K/school media payout is a… 700% (SEVEN HUNDRED PERCENT) increase over what we make in the MVC.

Not to mention...This conference won't fall apart based on ONE school leaving. I don't care who that school is. Now if some conference came in and took all publics (ISU, ISU, SIU, UNI, MO State), then the league would be in a much different situation. Same thing if a conference took all of the private schools. But our conference isn't so fragile that the loss of Missouri State will ruin the MVC. The MVC learned how to live after Wichita State left, and in fact multiple schools got better in basketball since then. It will continue to be a good conference if they leave. You're really grasping at straws here.

And most importantly, the conference will continue to be better than the CUSA, aside from the TV money. Lol

[MSUBear42]

They are really a non-factor in the Valley.

lol we are 44-21 against you.

[MSUBear42]

I have trouble believing that the payout is that low for the MVC but you may be right. But that $400K\year figure for CUSA was (I believe) before all of the defections. Is it really going to be better once the new CUSA is established? Whatever gains you make are just going to be eaten up in travel and scholarships and like I said all to (maybe hopefully one day) play in a bowl nobody watches or cares about and make the NCAA Tournament as MAYBE a 13 seed in a good year? Yeah I don't get it. Unless the outreach effects from this move are absolutely freaking amazing (which I am skeptical about as well). Like I said I see this as a major financial outlay with very little (if any) potential upside.

MVC payout is a little less than $50k per school per year.

[BCPanther]

I have trouble believing that the payout is that low for the MVC but you may be right. But that $400K\year figure for CUSA was (I believe) before all of the defections. Is it really going to be better once the new CUSA is established? Whatever gains you make are just going to be eaten up in travel and scholarships and like I said all to (maybe hopefully one day) play in a bowl nobody watches or cares about and make the NCAA Tournament as MAYBE a 13 seed in a good year? Yeah I don't get it. Unless the outreach effects from this move are absolutely freaking amazing (which I am skeptical about as well). Like I said I see this as a major financial outlay with very little (if any) potential upside.

MVC payout is a little less than $50k per school per year.

When you line item it down to just TV expenses, yes. When you factor in league deals for marketing with Learfield, it's about $140k.

[VUGrad1314]

I have trouble believing that the payout is that low for the MVC but you may be right. But that $400K\year figure for CUSA was (I believe) before all of the defections. Is it really going to be better once the new CUSA is established? Whatever gains you make are just going to be eaten up in travel and scholarships and like I said all to (maybe hopefully one day) play in a bowl nobody watches or cares about and make the NCAA Tournament as MAYBE a 13 seed in a good year? Yeah I don't get it. Unless the outreach effects from this move are absolutely freaking amazing (which I am skeptical about as well). Like I said I see this as a major financial outlay with very little (if any) potential upside.

MVC payout is a little less than $50k per school per year.

When you line item it down to just TV expenses, yes. When you factor in league deals for marketing with Learfield, it's about $140k.

That still seems low. That's for everything? I would have thought we were getting at least $200-250K just for the strength of the brands in our conference and our performance. I really thought MVC content was worth more.