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[BCPanther]

It's an exact copy of the Big 12 tiebreaker system which isn't surprising since Jeff Jackson ran Big 12 basketball for years.

[MissouriValleyUnite]

Wasn’t the “who you beat, starting at the top and working your way down” our tiebreaker system until 2011 or so (when it was changed to RPI)?

[Majik45]

Wasn’t the “who you beat, starting at the top and working your way down” our tiebreaker system until 2011 or so (when it was changed to RPI)?

Tie breaker went by total points, and points were awarded as follows:
20 points - beating 1st place on road
19 points - beating 1st place at home
18 points - beating 2nd place on road
17 points - beating 2nd place at home
and so on.

Add all of them up and you get a total score, so road wins, and beating people higher in the standings were worth more.

[municup14]

As I try to read everyone's post on the tie breaker system as my beloved Aces sit
in last place .Why doesn't the league go to a 22 game league schedule, that way
everyone plays everyone twice and it's a lot less complicated.

[BCPanther]

As I try to read everyone's post on the tie breaker system as my beloved Aces sit
in last place .Why doesn't the league go to a 22 game league schedule, that way
everyone plays everyone twice and it's a lot less complicated.

Because we'd like to at least have a shot at at large bids.

[municup14]

I dont understand how playing 2 more conference limits the chances of getting a at large bid.The majority of the non conference schedule is weaker teams than a conference team.

[ColonialBulldog]

I dont understand how playing 2 more conference limits the chances of getting a at large bid.The majority of the non conference schedule is weaker teams than a conference team.

I think the argument would be that adding conference games doesn't add wins, it just adds losses for the top finishers. It's a small sample size, but this year shows that the amount of wins it takes to win the conference didn't go up by adding two games. So basically we're just adding two losses to every teams record.

If you want a better sample size, look at the Big Ten. They went to 20 games and everyone's conference record gravitated closer to .500 ever since. All evidence points towards more conference games = more losses for the top teams. The Valley simply doesn't have the luxury that the Big Ten does a far as perception of a conference grind.

I'd vote for a return to 18 (or even 16!) before I'd vote for 22.

[So iLL 24]

I dont understand how playing 2 more conference limits the chances of getting a at large bid.The majority of the non conference schedule is weaker teams than a conference team.

UE is only better than like 15 teams in all of NCAA. Can all of the other schools drop UE from the schedule?

[BCPanther]

I dont understand how playing 2 more conference limits the chances of getting a at large bid.The majority of the non conference schedule is weaker teams than a conference team.

I think the argument would be that adding conference games doesn't add wins, it just adds losses for the top finishers. It's a small sample size, but this year shows that the amount of wins it takes to win the conference didn't go up by adding two games. So basically we're just adding two losses to every teams record.

If you want a better sample size, look at the Big Ten. They went to 20 games and everyone's conference record gravitated closer to .500 ever since. All evidence points towards more conference games = more losses for the top teams. The Valley simply doesn't have the luxury that the Big Ten does a far as perception of a conference grind.

I'd vote for a return to 18 (or even 16!) before I'd vote for 22.

Exactly correct. All you're doing with 22 is guaranteeing yourself 12 more losses and more exposure to bad metrics teams for your top teams (i.e. Bradley and Drake not having to play extras against the bottom this year). This schedule is set up the way it is for a reason.

I'd go back to 18 in a heartbeat.

[tribecalledquest]

And the crappy non conference games still would remain.

Use Bradley for example - if the league went to 22 conference games the Akron and Utah State games would be on the chopping block, not the home games v. Stonehill and Merrimack.