Gregg Marshall made $1,482,000.00 this year

[TylerDurden]

My question: if the Shockers are so dominant, than why don't they dominate?

Fair question. WSU averaged 27 wins per season over the past three seasons. Next question.

Nobody from Wichita said anything about domination. We said we paid our coach a lot of money. We were called failures. I responded with a win total. What is the problem?

Weak sauce. You were responding with the win total and specifically acknowledged the question. Now you weren't talking about domination?

I just listed what folks consider quality wins over the same time period you mentioned. No problems here.

[Aargh]

Some WSU fans have elitist attitudes.

There's a second level of WSU fans who realize that WSU has more resources to spend on basketball than most Valley schools. That group questions the ability of the Valley to continue providing a level of competition that WSU seeks to play. The situation at SIU is a good example of that. SIU was too broke to fire an incompetent coach and their program dropped about 200 rpi points. The same could happen to any of the underfunded Valley schools. That happened to WSU in the '90's and it took a major, major effort and commitment to rebuild the program.

WSU has a solid donor base and a pretty fair team most years (recently). It's easy for fans of other Valley teams to dislike WSU and WSU posters because of that. It's a little like being in HS and being thrilled to have a "beater" to drive to school and hating the kid whose Dad has the Chevy dealership and drives a 'Vette to school. Between WSU's financial situation and the attitude of some posters towards that, it seems that most of the reasonable WSU posters abandoned MVCFans long ago.

I didn't even have the beater, and the guy who had the 'Vette married one of my cousins. I still hate him today, but I have no choice but running into him, so I understand some of the reasons that many Valley fans dislike WSU and their fans.

Don't look for many reasonable WSU fans to post here very often.

[TylerDurden]

How many teams from the Valley where in the top 50 RPI over those 3 years? This year, it was Creighton and WSU, so obviously in league WSU has only two chances to have top 50 wins.

11-12 - two MVC teams (WSU, CU)
10-11 - one (MSU)
09-10 - two (UNI, WSU)

If you eliminate top-50 wins against MVC teams over those three years the totals look like this:
UNI: 6
WSU: 1
UE: 1

So the last two years there have been 5 spots in the league that have been a top 50 RPI team and WSU was 2 of those spots. Hard to play and beat ourselves in those games. WSU beat Creighton this year and UNI once in 09-10, so your figures are off. What are the SOS over those same years? I would bet WSU is the top team or two each year.

No, my figures are not off. You misunderstood what I wrote. You mentioned the opportunities within the conference, so I removed them and showed the non-conference because any team that is in the top 50 has fewer chances for wins. That's obvious.

The three top 50 wins for WSU over the last three years are:
11-12: UNLV, CU
10-11: none
09-10: UNI

That's one non-conference top-50 win. UNI has six non-conference top-50 wins over that stretch, UE has one.

[shocktheheart]

Some WSU fans have elitist attitudes.

There's a second level of WSU fans who realize that WSU has more resources to spend on basketball than most Valley schools. That group questions the ability of the Valley to continue providing a level of competition that WSU seeks to play. The situation at SIU is a good example of that. SIU was too broke to fire an incompetent coach and their program dropped about 200 rpi points. The same could happen to any of the underfunded Valley schools. That happened to WSU in the '90's and it took a major, major effort and commitment to rebuild the program.

WSU has a solid donor base and a pretty fair team most years (recently). It's easy for fans of other Valley teams to dislike WSU and WSU posters because of that. It's a little like being in HS and being thrilled to have a "beater" to drive to school and hating the kid whose Dad has the Chevy dealership and drives a 'Vette to school. Between WSU's financial situation and the attitude of some posters towards that, it seems that most of the reasonable WSU posters abandoned MVCFans long ago.


I didn't even have the beater, and the guy who had the 'Vette married one of my cousins. I still hate him today, but I have no choice but running into him, so I understand some of the reasons that many Valley fans dislike WSU and their fans.

Don't look for many reasonable WSU fans to post here very often.

Agreed, I went to a very rich Catholic school in Wichita and I was one of the "poor" kids who had a 89 Ford Escort in 93. I love WSU and love the fact we can afford to pay our coach fair market value. I also know not every Valley school can do this. Those schools need to make very smart coaching hires ie UNI (Jake) SIU (Hinson, not Lowery), MSU (Zoe). I would say WSU and Creighton are the only two schools who can step up and pay a coach so that it will take a very good job to get him to move. Not just a BCS job, but a job that he doesn't have to rebuild and will still get paid. SIU was at this level a couple years ago, but CLO decided to eat the basketball instead of teach it to his players which drove away fans and put the University in a position not to be able to fire him when needed.

[shocktheheart]

The three top 50 wins for WSU over the last three years are:
11-12: UNLV, CU
10-11: none
09-10: UNI

That's one non-conference top-50 win. UNI has six non-conference top-50 wins over that stretch, UE has one.

My fault, who has UNI beat over that three year period and there RPI if you don't mind? I can't find anything but this years data on RealTime

[valleychamp]

(blah, blah, blah...)

Don't look for many reasonable WSU fans to post here very often.

I disagree. I think many reasonable WSU posters do post here. Its the trolls and lunatics that have slowly been weeded out because people call them out for their BS.

[TylerDurden]

UNI's top 50 RPI wins over the last three years are (I actually missed one - they have 10 over the last three years):

MVC:
11-12: Creighton (24)
10-11: Missouri State (43)
09-10: Wichita State (43), Wichita State (MVCT)

Non-Conference:
11-12: Colorado State (29), Iowa State (33)
10-11: None
09-10: Siena (31), Old Dominion (27), UNLV (48), Kansas (1)

Edited to add RPIs from RTRPI.

[shocktheheart]

(blah, blah, blah...)

Don't look for many reasonable WSU fans to post here very often.

I disagree. I think many reasonable WSU posters do post here. Its the trolls and lunatics that have slowly been weeded out because people call them out for their BS.

Every fan base has those type of people and Cold is one of them. He likes to see the "rise" he gets out of other fan bases by the coments he makes. Frankly I enjoy it as you can see it coming and it always works. There are other posters from other fan bases that do the same things and I do enjoy it as well, when they try and do it to WSU fans, I try and ignore it.

[shocktheheart]

UNI's top 50 RPI wins over the last three years are (I actually missed one - they have 10 over the last three years):

MVC:
11-12: Creighton
10-11: Missouri State
09-10: Wichita State, Wichita State (MVCT)

Non-Conference:
11-12: Colorado State, Iowa State
10-11: None
09-10: Siena, Old Dominion, UNLV, Kansas

09-10, just shows you how underseeded UNI was as a 8 or 9 can't remeber. Had 6 top 50 RPI wins that year.

[TylerDurden]

UNI's top 50 RPI wins over the last three years are (I actually missed one - they have 10 over the last three years):

MVC:
11-12: Creighton
10-11: Missouri State
09-10: Wichita State, Wichita State (MVCT)

Non-Conference:
11-12: Colorado State, Iowa State
10-11: None
09-10: Siena, Old Dominion, UNLV, Kansas

09-10, just shows you how underseeded UNI was as a 8 or 9 can't remeber. Had 6 top 50 RPI wins that year.

They were under-seeded, but two of those were in the NCAA Tournament. Still four top-50 wins is a pretty good number.

I added the numbers above.