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Re: UNI struggles

Postby valleychamp » December 21st, 2012, 12:43 pm

glm38 wrote:
valleychamp wrote:Maybe, but thats debatable. Mitchell and Tuttle are pretty good, but are only sophomores. Our veteran players are certainly not as good as what some of those other teams had.


Is Tittle playing better then? I was totally unimpressed with him in the 2 UNI games ive seen this year. And I REALLY liked his game last year.


Yeah, he's doing fine. He has struggled against the elite teams that we have played like Louisville, Memphis, UNLV which had big athletic front lines. But against all other teams, he has played well.

His FG% is down from last year's league leading 65% thus far this season, but he is still shooting above 50%. Despite the poor performances in Atlantis and against UNLV, his points, rebounds, and assist numbers are right at, or above what he did last year.
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Re: UNI struggles

Postby Kyle » December 22nd, 2012, 9:56 pm

I'm hoping this team follows the same pattern our 08-09 team did. Struggle early while finding out where all the pieces fit together, and once everything starts clicking, go on a long winning streak in January.

Still hoping.
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Re: UNI struggles

Postby Redbird23 » December 26th, 2012, 3:04 pm

valleychamp wrote:Yeah, he's doing fine. He has struggled against the elite teams that we have played like Louisville, Memphis, UNLV which had big athletic front lines. But against all other teams, he has played well.


If Tuttle is so good how come against the best postmen he can't play well, Carmichael will be all over him Jan 5th. And he shouldn't of won FOY last season
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Re: UNI struggles

Postby BCPanther » December 26th, 2012, 3:12 pm

Redbird23 wrote:
valleychamp wrote:Yeah, he's doing fine. He has struggled against the elite teams that we have played like Louisville, Memphis, UNLV which had big athletic front lines. But against all other teams, he has played well.


If Tuttle is so good how come against the best postmen he can't play well, Carmichael will be all over him Jan 5th. And he shouldn't of won FOY last season


Carmichael got to play Louisville without Dieng. If Dieng is on the floor, Carmichael spends a lot more time on the bench and Louisville wins by a bunch.

As far as FOY, at least Tuttle still plays for us...
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Re: UNI struggles

Postby johnnydugouts » December 27th, 2012, 4:09 pm

UNI isnt struggling. they lost very close games to some good teams. RPI is completely worthless right now. if you are using it to judge a team then you have no concept of what it measures. they have zero bad losses. despite some awful travel issues they looked great against a top-50 kenpom team in St. Marys.

UNI will be in the mix for an at-large if they avoid bad losses in conference play and finish at 12-6 or better. they will be rewarded for their scheduling if they can get it done in conference. they also catch WSU at a good time because regardless of injuries every game counts the same.
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Re: UNI struggles

Postby Snaggletooth » December 27th, 2012, 4:15 pm

johnnydugouts wrote: RPI is completely worthless right now.


You are a 1/3 of the way through the season - it does have meaning now and it says you are who you are. UNI can't beat NCAA teams. Their winning record is again CIT teams.

UNI will be in the mix for an at-large if they avoid bad losses in conference play


That will be impossible, to many weak MVC teams who will scrounge a win at home.

and finish at 12-6 or better.


18-11 would only get UNI a RPI in the mid-60's. That is not at-large material

they also catch WSU at a good time because regardless of injuries every game counts the same.


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Re: UNI struggles

Postby Jays26 » December 27th, 2012, 4:35 pm

UNI will be in the mix for an at-large if they avoid bad losses in conference play and finish at 12-6 or better. they will be rewarded for their scheduling if they can get it done in conference. they also catch WSU at a good time because regardless of injuries every game counts the same


That's crazy talk.....12-6 in conf puts you at 18-11 overall not counting St. Lou. ONLY way in to the NCAA's is winning the conf tourney. No way you would be considered an at large with that record. Losing all 3 early on cost you big. You can try and spin it any way you want but reality sucks sometimes.

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Re: UNI struggles

Postby BCPanther » December 27th, 2012, 4:41 pm

You guys do realize our worst lost is to KenPom #43 with wins over St Marys (top 50) and Mason (Top 100).

Win the games we should, get Creighton once, get Wichita at least once, and get Illinois State at least once and we are in good shape. I don't know about 12-6 getting in, but 13-5 puts us right in the middle of the discussion.
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Re: UNI struggles

Postby glm38 » December 27th, 2012, 5:11 pm

BCPanther wrote:
Redbird23 wrote:
valleychamp wrote:Yeah, he's doing fine. He has struggled against the elite teams that we have played like Louisville, Memphis, UNLV which had big athletic front lines. But against all other teams, he has played well.


If Tuttle is so good how come against the best postmen he can't play well, Carmichael will be all over him Jan 5th. And he shouldn't of won FOY last season


Carmichael got to play Louisville without Dieng. If Dieng is on the floor, Carmichael spends a lot more time on the bench and Louisville wins by a bunch.

As far as FOY, at least Tuttle still plays for us...


I don't agree. IMO.Jackie can play with anyone. He 's a projected 1st round draft choice on at least one draft board. Dieng is a good (maybe great) player but I don't see him dominating Jackie.
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Re: UNI struggles

Postby shoxrox » December 27th, 2012, 5:38 pm

johnnydugouts wrote:UNI isnt struggling. they lost very close games to some good teams. RPI is completely worthless right now. if you are using it to judge a team then you have no concept of what it measures. they have zero bad losses. despite some awful travel issues they looked great against a top-50 kenpom team in St. Marys.

UNI will be in the mix for an at-large if they avoid bad losses in conference play and finish at 12-6 or better. they will be rewarded for their scheduling if they can get it done in conference. they also catch WSU at a good time because regardless of injuries every game counts the same.


Scheduling tough is a plus but you have to actually win a few games with that schedule to get serious looks. UCSB has the No.1 ranked SOS in the country. They aren't getting an at-large bid just because they played a tough schedule and lost every tough game they had.

St. Mary's is an ok win. We'll see if they stay in the Top 50. But as other posters have mentioned, the committee doesn't give at-larges to 11-loss teams from mid-major conferences. It just doesn't work that way. They get called out for it even when they do it with BCS conference teams. UNI has too many losses to give themselves an at-large look unless they do something crazy, like going 16-2 or something ridiculous in conference. After watching how they go in and out of games, I'd say the chances of that happening are very close to the number zero.

1 win against St. Mary's doesn't erase a season's worth of underperforming. The goose egg in Atlantis will come back to bite you. The RPI is too high right now to make any serious headway and yes the RPI is pretty accurate now, as the non-con season is over.
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