It is official: Wichita State has been figured out

[Jays26]

I had missed the BJ fans a couple weeks ago. So many were "out on cruises".

It's nice that a lot of them are finding their way home again. Winning must help.

Ha....you ought to think about a vaca!

Tell you what.....Buy me a beer in St. Lou and I'll show you the plane tickets. If I don't have them I buy.

How about Sunday before the champ game? Oh wait...nevermind....better make it Saturday.

[iSASO]

Charging: You can't call a charge if the defensive player is back pedaling and he doesn't have his feet set or in position. Anyways, at the end of a game like that, they aren't going to call physical contact unless its a flagrant situation, they're going to let them play.

Dawgie, you are absolutely wrong. Is it not possible for an offensive foul to be called if the offensive player ducks his head or shoulder and rams into the defender regardless of his position? Isn't is possible for an offensive foul to be called if the offensive player throws a forearm into the defender or hooks the defender trying to gain an advantage?

Tell us again that the ONLY time a charge is called is when the defender is set.

[unipanther99]

I didn't see the play, but having the "feet set" has nothing to do with it being a block or charge.

If the defender got to the spot first and established legal guarding position, he can move side to side, backwards, or jump up in the air and still draw the charge.

Rick Hartzell once said it happens so fast in the college game he uses the following rule of thumb. If the offensive player's initial contact with the defender is in the middle of the defender's chest, 90% of the time it's a charge. I've worked high school for 17 years, and I tend to find his rule serves me well most of the time.

[cpacmel]

I didn't see the play, but having the "feet set" has nothing to do with it being a block or charge.

If the defender got to the spot first and established legal guarding position, he can move side to side, backwards, or jump up in the air and still draw the charge.

Rick Hartzell once said it happens so fast in the college game he uses the following rule of thumb. If the offensive player's initial contact with the defender is in the middle of the defender's chest, 90% of the time it's a charge. I've worked high school for 17 years, and I tend to find his rule serves me well most of the time.

This is directly from the NCAA (june / 2012): http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2012/june/prop+approves+basketball+court-surface+rule

Committee members believe that charge/block calls in some cases were not made correctly, sometimes giving the defense an advantage.

To help address that circumstance, the committee approved guidelines to help better administer these rules:

•Before the offensive player (with the ball) becomes airborne, the defender must have two feet on the floor, be facing the opponent and be stationary to draw a charge. Otherwise, it should be a blocking foul.
•Secondary defenders (help defenders) moving forward or to the side are also in violation and those should be blocking fouls.

•Contact that is “through the chest” is not de facto proof of a charge. The rule in its entirety must be considered before determining a foul.

•In some cases, it appears a defender is being rewarded solely for being outside the arc, without considering the other aspects of the rules.

[DawgieStyle]

Charging: You can't call a charge if the defensive player is back pedaling and he doesn't have his feet set or in position. Anyways, at the end of a game like that, they aren't going to call physical contact unless its a flagrant situation, they're going to let them play.

Dawgie, you are absolutely wrong. Is it not possible for an offensive foul to be called if the offensive player ducks his head or shoulder and rams into the defender regardless of his position? Isn't is possible for an offensive foul to be called if the offensive player throws a forearm into the defender or hooks the defender trying to gain an advantage?

Tell us again that the ONLY time a charge is called is when the defender is set.

sure there are plays and instances where a defender isn't set and their can be a charge call, this wasn't one of them. Sorry.

[DawgieStyle]

I didn't see the play, but having the "feet set" has nothing to do with it being a block or charge.

If the defender got to the spot first and established legal guarding position, he can move side to side, backwards, or jump up in the air and still draw the charge.

Rick Hartzell once said it happens so fast in the college game he uses the following rule of thumb. If the offensive player's initial contact with the defender is in the middle of the defender's chest, 90% of the time it's a charge. I've worked high school for 17 years, and I tend to find his rule serves me well most of the time.

This is directly from the NCAA (june / 2012): http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2012/june/prop+approves+basketball+court-surface+rule

Committee members believe that charge/block calls in some cases were not made correctly, sometimes giving the defense an advantage.

To help address that circumstance, the committee approved guidelines to help better administer these rules:

•Before the offensive player (with the ball) becomes airborne, the defender must have two feet on the floor, be facing the opponent and be stationary to draw a charge. Otherwise, it should be a blocking foul.
•Secondary defenders (help defenders) moving forward or to the side are also in violation and those should be blocking fouls.

•Contact that is “through the chest” is not de facto proof of a charge. The rule in its entirety must be considered before determining a foul.

•In some cases, it appears a defender is being rewarded solely for being outside the arc, without considering the other aspects of the rules.

so if a defender is back pedaling wildly, almost to the point of losing his balance, would that classify as two feet on the floor and stationary? Just curious.

[DawgieStyle]

and you know what? It really doesn't matter. One play did not determine 39 minutes and 50 seconds worth of other additional play.

If you're fixated on this one play as the reason you lost, you've conveniently ignored the entire rest of the game.

[valleychamp]

This is directly from the NCAA (june / 2012): http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2012/june/prop+approves+basketball+court-surface+rule

Committee members believe that charge/block calls in some cases were not made correctly, sometimes giving the defense an advantage.

To help address that circumstance, the committee approved guidelines to help better administer these rules:

•Before the offensive player (with the ball) becomes airborne, the defender must have two feet on the floor, be facing the opponent and be stationary to draw a charge. Otherwise, it should be a blocking foul.
•Secondary defenders (help defenders) moving forward or to the side are also in violation and those should be blocking fouls.

•Contact that is “through the chest” is not de facto proof of a charge. The rule in its entirety must be considered before determining a foul.

•In some cases, it appears a defender is being rewarded solely for being outside the arc, without considering the other aspects of the rules.

That explanation only accounts for the straightforward charge/block calls, specifically for a player going to the rim. It does not account for the instances of an offensive player pushing off, lowing his shoulder, ect which occur on all areas of the court.

[BCPanther]

Block/Charge is an absolute mess in the college game right now. They need to find the proper balance between rewarding the defender for moving his feet and staying in good defensive position and allowing the offensive player to make a move to the bucket. Getting a charge call is way too easy, especially for a secondary defender.

The first and biggest step is either moving the restricted area out to the NBA distance or eliminating it altogether. If you go to the NBA distance, it allows the offensive player access to the rim without having to worry about a secondary defender. If you eliminate it, it allows the referee to use his judgement as to whether an advantage was gained. Guys are being rewarded for getting outside the arc and that is the only determination being made by most officials. If he's out, its a charge, if he's in, its a block.

The rule was much better adjudicated without the line on the floor.

[cpacmel]

I didn't see the play, but having the "feet set" has nothing to do with it being a block or charge.

If the defender got to the spot first and established legal guarding position, he can move side to side, backwards, or jump up in the air and still draw the charge.

Rick Hartzell once said it happens so fast in the college game he uses the following rule of thumb. If the offensive player's initial contact with the defender is in the middle of the defender's chest, 90% of the time it's a charge. I've worked high school for 17 years, and I tend to find his rule serves me well most of the time.

This is directly from the NCAA (june / 2012): http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2012/june/prop+approves+basketball+court-surface+rule

Committee members believe that charge/block calls in some cases were not made correctly, sometimes giving the defense an advantage.

To help address that circumstance, the committee approved guidelines to help better administer these rules:

•Before the offensive player (with the ball) becomes airborne, the defender must have two feet on the floor, be facing the opponent and be stationary to draw a charge. Otherwise, it should be a blocking foul.
•Secondary defenders (help defenders) moving forward or to the side are also in violation and those should be blocking fouls.

•Contact that is “through the chest” is not de facto proof of a charge. The rule in its entirety must be considered before determining a foul.

•In some cases, it appears a defender is being rewarded solely for being outside the arc, without considering the other aspects of the rules.

so if a defender is back pedaling wildly, almost to the point of losing his balance, would that classify as two feet on the floor and stationary? Just curious.

How can one be back pedaling wilding and still have feet on the floor and be stationary?