Question for Creighton Fans

[valleychamp]

and also we currently have the most successful coach UNI has ever had, who left UNI to go to Iowa State.

Wrong.

[BCPanther]

UNI hates us cause we stole Doug from them, and also we currently have the most successful coach UNI has ever had, who left UNI to go to Iowa State.

LOLOLOLOL at Mac being the most successful coach in our history, perhaps you missed that Jake is already 3rd all time in wins and there was that Sweet 16 thing in 2010.

[bluejays89]

UNI hates us cause we stole Doug from them, and also we currently have the most successful coach UNI has ever had, who left UNI to go to Iowa State.

LOLOLOLOL at Mac being the most successful coach in our history, perhaps you missed that Jake is already 3rd all time in wins and there was that Sweet 16 thing in 2010.

Deanthony does not always support his arguments with facts, Jake is clearly ahead of him in my opinion.

[rlh04d]

There has been a lot of hate for Creighton for a long time. Thats part of being consistently at or near the top for years and years. It goes back to the SIU student section all wearing "I H8 Cr8ton" shirts to St. Louis even though there was 8 other teams there besides Creighton. I believe this started maybe 2001-2002 season. UNI hates us cause we stole Doug from them, and also we currently have the most successful coach UNI has ever had, who left UNI to go to Iowa State. Wichita hates us cause we get more National media attention then them since we have been good for longer. Unfortunately in this world these days, if your hated, it usually means your doing something right. Sounds backwards, but its a corrupted world.

Waaaaaaaahhhh, Waaaaahhhh! They crying never ends for the troll Blue Jays on here.

Some Creighton fans seem to be fairly insecure.

We should stop being so mean

[bluejays89]

Some Wichita fans seem to be fairly insecure: http://shockernet.net/forum/showthread. ... ate-Thread



We should stop being so mean

Hey, look what I found five seconds into reading the Creighton forum:

Then if you start reading the MVC boards wow what a difference. They really hate CU. CU is the common name. We did not win the game, they lost it. UNI was probably the one that surprised me the most. Worse than WSU's board. Lot of hate out there.

We should stop being so mean.

hook, line, and sinker

[Deanthonybowdenfan]

Haha. I wasnt complaining, you guys are so touchy. I really don't mind being hated i was just pointing some things out. And I don't always have time to look up all the stats, maybe Jake is a better coach I dont really know. But Jake inherited a program that was already built by Greg, so the fact that he has more wins and all isn't everything. Didn't Greg inherit a below average UNI team and turn them into a solid team for quite a few years. When looking at a coach its not so much how many wins they've had etc. but its more about where the program was when they got the job, and where it is when they leave it behind.
So i looked it up. Greg inherited a program that had finished below .500 for the 4 years prior to his arrival, including the year before he took over as coach, uni finished with a 7-24 record. He left the program having led UNI to 3 consecutive NCAA appearances. Quite the turnaround. Jake inherited a program that had made the prior 3 NCAA tournaments. His last 3 seasons have resulted in a CIT berth, an NIT berth, and this season, probably an NIT berth. Turns out I was right after all. The facts support my argument. Jake may have had as much success as Greg, but he inherited a program greg built. Greg had just as much success as Jake even though he inherited a very poor program. And to the Bluejay who called me out, I hope your happy I took the time to back up my statement with facts. Appreciate the coach you have, he is a solid coach.

[bluejays89]

Haha. I wasnt complaining, you guys are so touchy. I really don't mind being hated i was just pointing some things out. And I don't always have time to look up all the stats, maybe Jake is a better coach I dont really know. But Jake inherited a program that was already built by Greg, so the fact that he has more wins and all isn't everything. Didn't Greg inherit a below average UNI team and turn them into a solid team for quite a few years. When looking at a coach its not so much how many wins they've had etc. but its more about where the program was when they got the job, and where it is when they leave it behind.
So i looked it up. Greg inherited a program that had finished below .500 for the 4 years prior to his arrival, including the year before he took over as coach, uni finished with a 7-24 record. He left the program having led UNI to 3 consecutive NCAA appearances. Quite the turnaround. Jake inherited a program that had made the prior 3 NCAA tournaments. His last 3 seasons have resulted in a CIT berth, an NIT berth, and this season, probably an NIT berth. Turns out I was right after all. The facts support my argument. Jake may have had as much success as Greg, but he inherited a program greg built. Greg had just as much success as Jake even though he inherited a very poor program. And to the Bluejay who called me out, I hope your happy I took the time to back up my statement with facts. Appreciate the coach you have, he is a solid coach.

You're welcome, and hey Deanthony Bowden is one of my all-time favorite jays.

[jwa123]

I hear a pig running.

Take care, y'all.

[rlh04d]

Haha. I wasnt complaining, you guys are so touchy.

I actually wasn't mocking you there ... I was mocking the people who I altered the quotes of to respond to you >=)

Just find it funny that multiple people were targeting WSU for the pretty much the exact same damn thing you just wrote.

[uniftw]

Haha. I wasnt complaining, you guys are so touchy. I really don't mind being hated i was just pointing some things out. And I don't always have time to look up all the stats, maybe Jake is a better coach I dont really know. But Jake inherited a program that was already built by Greg, so the fact that he has more wins and all isn't everything. Didn't Greg inherit a below average UNI team and turn them into a solid team for quite a few years. When looking at a coach its not so much how many wins they've had etc. but its more about where the program was when they got the job, and where it is when they leave it behind.
So i looked it up. Greg inherited a program that had finished below .500 for the 4 years prior to his arrival, including the year before he took over as coach, uni finished with a 7-24 record. He left the program having led UNI to 3 consecutive NCAA appearances. Quite the turnaround. Jake inherited a program that had made the prior 3 NCAA tournaments. His last 3 seasons have resulted in a CIT berth, an NIT berth, and this season, probably an NIT berth. Turns out I was right after all. The facts support my argument. Jake may have had as much success as Greg, but he inherited a program greg built. Greg had just as much success as Jake even though he inherited a very poor program. And to the Bluejay who called me out, I hope your happy I took the time to back up my statement with facts. Appreciate the coach you have, he is a solid coach.

The year that Jacobson took over it wasn't like he was left with 4 starters from the previous teams, or even a number of solid contributes

Jakes first year was 2006-2007. He had as many freshman as upperclassman (7 freshman, 7 total JR and SR). He inherited a team that finished 5th in the conference the year before. Of those 7 upperclassman 2 of them never saw the court, one due to injuries and 1 due to not being good enough. Of the 7 freshman 2 transfered due to lack of PT, and 1 sophomore left the team to become an All American football player. It's not like he took over a team that had 4 or 5 JR's that had already been starting and playing at an All Conference level.

Of the returners from that 05-06 tourney team, only 3 played more than 10 minutes per game in 05-06...2 more played in at least 27 games, but neither one was over 8 min per game.

06-07 had us play 3 true freshman at least 14 min per game in 30+ games each (Kwadzo, Adam Koch, and Eglseder).

Not too bad of a season for a team like that.

07-08 saw us lose Brooks McKowen and Grant Stout to graduation from the year before...both 4 year starters. We also lost Kwadzo to an injury before the season (causing him to Redshirt). That year we started a backcourt of Jared Josten, Adam Viet, and Travis Brown with significant back up minutes for Brian Haak and Jon Montomery. Those names not ringing a bell at all? Yeah, they won't to anyone except UNI fans who watched the team struggle to 18-14 that year playing 3 or 4 guys who weren't really D1 material because that's all that was left from the McDermott era.

The fact Jake got to 18 wins in 06-07 and 07-08 shows an amazing coaching job by him during those two years.

Jake also coached Adam Koch into a Larry Bird winner, coached Kwadzo into one of the top PG's in the conference his JR and SR years. Turned Jordan from a 7' doof who could barely run up the court to a pretty decent player (when Jordan got to campus he was not a D1 player)

Jake was left with very very little and became the only coach in UNI history to win at least 18 games his first three years on campus. He became the fastest to 100 wins in UNI history (It took him only 149 games as the Panther head coach to accomplish the feat. The previous mark was set by Art Dickinson at 164 games.), he's already alone in 3rd in career victories at UNI as a HC (146), he has 2 MVC regular season titles, 2 MVC tournament titles, never finished worse than 5th in the MVC (average finish of 3rd and is likely finishing 3rd this year again), will likely become the winningest coach in UNI history next season (only needs 20 more to tie the record), second highest win % of any coach at UNI @ 64%, coached teams that set UNI records for longest win streak, most consecutive home wins, win %, most wins in a season, most conference wins in a season, has been the HC during times that recruited the best classes in UNI history, was one of the lead recruiters for every single player in the class with Adam Koch, Jordan, Kwadzo, Kerwin, and later picked up Ali from the JUCO ranks, he was Mac's lead recruiter and top assistant....


It's no wonder that Mac's success stopped REALLY quick we Jake was no longer with him, and didn't start again until he told Jake to "take his coach hat off, and put his friend hat on" to get his top 150 recruit in the nation, and now All American, son away from his signed LOI to Coach Jake. Once Doug leaves you'll see Mac struggle pretty hard. Many UNI fans will agree that when it comes to X's and O's Jake coaches circles on circles around Mac. You can see it since Mac has left UNI. Jake's record vs. Mac is over .500 in head to head match ups, even though Mac has had the "more talented/highly touted team" almost every single time...and 1 of Mac's wins was OT.


Would UNI be where it is without Mc$? No. Would it have gotten to the levels it did with Mc$ in stead of Jake the last couple years? I highly doubt it.


Also, you bring up the CIT team...that team was just 1 game out of first place about 3/4th of the way through the conference season, and surging hard. There was many, from every fan base, that thought that UNI would come back to win the conference that year. Then, our starting center (Lucas O'Rear) broke his ankle against Illinois State. He was the soul of that team. He was also the only post player we had that was worth a damn. Guess who else would have been on the roster that year....yep, you guessed it. Would we have continued that run? Maybe, maybe not. But we don't lose 9 of 11 like we did to end the year.

Where was Creighton in that season? That's right...the CBI. Not really any better.

You also leave out the fact that UNI has more NCAA tournament appearances than Creighton since 2000 (I believe), and Jake has led UNI to a post season in 08-09 (NCAA), 09-10 (NCAA, S16), 10-11 (CIT), 11-12 (NIT), and 12-13 (looking like NIT).

That's a pretty damn good stretch.