Tie-Breaker

[shocks771]

Unreal, so a game that is completely out of our team's control scheduling wise screws WSU by somehow raising Creighton's SOS by almost 60 spots.

Creighton goes out and gets hammered by St. Mary's on national TV, further eroding the national perception of the MVC and WSU hammers a decent Detroit team in an exciting up and down game and guess who gets the largest benefit???

Basically since all of the road teams sucked in Bracket Busters this year WSU's SOS is penalized and Creighton's is enhanced. The BB games should not count in the non-con SOS calculation.

Oh well, like I said earlier, WSU still controls their own destiny but it is complete BS that one game can benefit a team so much.

[PantherSigEp]

Oh well, like I said earlier, WSU still controls their own destiny but it is complete BS that one game can benefit a team so much.

Well, in actuality, I believe it's a result of all the games played yesterday and their results. It's not just the result of one game, but the collective results of all of Creighton's non-con opponents and that of WSU's opponents. Also that may seem like a huge gap, but if you look at the actual calculation, they are only about .0136 off. Not much of a gap. The gap between Duke (#1 non con SOS) and Miami (#2) is .017. It's just a big cluster right in the middle of everything. Y

You can look at the source I used (CBS Sports) here: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/sos?&_3:col_1=8)

I would also recommend looking at their SOS impact tab witch is supposed to measure the "positive impact" a team has on an opponents SOS. Crieghton's top opponents are #19 Akron and #21 St. Mary's while Wichita's top opponent is VCU. Here's the total list as far as I could see:

WSU's Opponents (Impact Rank):
VCU (23)
Southern Miss (38)
Tennessee (88)
Detroit (92)
Iowa (94)
North Carolina Central(100)
Air Force (116)
Charleston Southern (145)
Tulsa (159)
Depaul (204)
West. Carolina (250)
Northern Colorado (296)
Howard (330)

Creighton (Impact Rank):
Akron (19)
St. Mary's (21)
Wisconsin (39)
Arizona St (61)
California (65)
Boise State (70)
Saint Joe's (107)
Nebraska (151)
Tulsa (159)
UAB (182)
North Texas (259)
Presbyterian (331)
Longwood (339)

You can see the difference and the reason why Creighton received a bump. Creighton has played 6 in the top 70. Wichita has played 2.

[Smooth007]

Come on. Bracketbusters is part of the schedule and should obviously be included. That just shows you that it takes one more big game to earn that tiebreaker in the future. Cu is an average team right now and has lost 6 of 11. If WSU can't beat them, so be it. Right now it is hard to tell if being the one or two seed is better anyway. Matchups are always interesting.

[TheAsianSensation]

Unreal, so a game that is completely out of our team's control scheduling wise screws WSU by somehow raising Creighton's SOS by almost 60 spots.

Creighton goes out and gets hammered by St. Mary's on national TV, further eroding the national perception of the MVC and WSU hammers a decent Detroit team in an exciting up and down game and guess who gets the largest benefit???

Basically since all of the road teams sucked in Bracket Busters this year WSU's SOS is penalized and Creighton's is enhanced. The BB games should not count in the non-con SOS calculation.

Oh well, like I said earlier, WSU still controls their own destiny but it is complete BS that one game can benefit a team so much.

Yeah, this.

Now, I think looking at the numbers that Creighton might be ahead of Wichita anyways, but the BB games (and the BB return games, don't forget) should've been removed from that calculation, IMO. You want the tiebreaker clear of any ESPN-induced biases.

(actually, taking out the BB return games from the equation too removes what, VCU and Akron? That would be a wash)

[mvcfan]

Oh well, like I said earlier, WSU still controls their own destiny but it is complete BS that one game can benefit a team so much.

Well, in actuality, I believe it's a result of all the games played yesterday and their results. It's not just the result of one game, but the collective results of all of Creighton's non-con opponents and that of WSU's opponents. Also that may seem like a huge gap, but if you look at the actual calculation, they are only about .0136 off. Not much of a gap. The gap between Duke (#1 non con SOS) and Miami (#2) is .017. It's just a big cluster right in the middle of everything. Y

You can look at the source I used (CBS Sports) here: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/sos?&_3:col_1=8)

I would also recommend looking at their SOS impact tab witch is supposed to measure the "positive impact" a team has on an opponents SOS. Crieghton's top opponents are #19 Akron and #21 St. Mary's while Wichita's top opponent is VCU. Here's the total list as far as I could see:

WSU's Opponents (Impact Rank):
VCU (23)
Southern Miss (38)
Tennessee (88)
Detroit (92)
Iowa (94)
North Carolina Central(100)
Air Force (116)
Charleston Southern (145)
Tulsa (159)
Depaul (204)
West. Carolina (250)
Northern Colorado (296)
Howard (330)

Creighton (Impact Rank):
Akron (19)
St. Mary's (21)
Wisconsin (39)
Arizona St (61)
California (65)
Boise State (70)
Saint Joe's (107)
Nebraska (151)
Tulsa (159)
UAB (182)
North Texas (259)
Presbyterian (331)
Longwood (339)

You can see the difference and the reason why Creighton received a bump. Creighton has played 6 in the top 70. Wichita has played 2.

Do yo call Creighton coming from 110 down to 40(something) when they lose to a 45 RPI team, and WSU going
from 66 to 72 after beating a team in the 60's a BUMP?

[Khan4Cats]

That is very interesting.

Can an informed person tell me whether home/road weighting is factored into the SoS (similar to RPI)? That could explain CU's massive one game bump. Otherwise, I cannot understand how WSU playing a team with an RPI of 62 would drop the SoS 6 spots, while Creighton playing a team with an RPI of 41 results in an improvement of 60 spots.

There is no weighting involved and there is nothing about opponents-opponents like the RPI. Just straight opponent's W/L record. That is why UNI is sitting with a 13 OOC SOS because they've played a lot of teams who have not lost a lot of games. UNI certainly didn't give them any losses otherwise we would have had a worse SOS because our opponents would have had more losses.

[PantherSigEp]

Do yo call Creighton coming from 110 down to 40(something) when they lose to a 45 RPI team, and WSU going from 66 to 72 after beating a team in the 60's a BUMP?

Well, yes. It's a large bump but still a bump. Would you like me to call it something else? It won't change the facts.

[mvcfan]

Do yo call Creighton coming from 110 down to 40(something) when they lose to a 45 RPI team, and WSU going from 66 to 72 after beating a team in the 60's a BUMP?

Well, yes. It's a large bump but still a bump. Would you like me to call it something else? It won't change the facts.

I think that the figures given last week had to be a mistake if the latest figures are correct. No way one can go from 110 to 45.

[GarH]

It's not going to come down to a tie-breaker.

[cu8493]

It all makes sense to me now. Mac is a genious. Throw the game at St. Mary's to improve OOC SOS by making sure it has a bette record in order to steal the one seed. I'm still trying to figure out those conference losses, but I'm leaning toward Mac opting to play for a 10 or 11 seed in the NCAA rather than risking the committee putting us in another 8-9 spot. Man do I feel a lot better about the way the last 1/2 of the season has gone. Wish I had recognized his plan earlier. Would have saved me some money on Rolaids.

Either that, or this team has suffered an irreversible breakdown. I'm opting to believe the above.