CBS: MVC looking at Missouri-Kansas City

[GoShockers89]

My Kangaroo friend, scheduling tough teams doesn't matter if you never win those games. Nobody cares about your weird cherry-picked one season SoS stat.

Did UMKC also tie for 22nd in the country on one-handed rebounds during Tuesday day games in the month of November?

[uniftw]

Forget RPI for a minute. Look at the SOS (Strength of Schedule) ratings. UNKC SOS was 138. Bradley SOS was 215, SIU was 170, ILS was 116, WSU was 102, Evansville 101. MSU with am RPI of 204 had an SOS of 67. UNI had the best SOS with a 37. The SOS can tell who played the better schedule. UMKC evidently played better teams than at least 2 current MVC teams, and not far behind 2 or 3 other teams.

One more time, membership will better both the RPI and SOS of UMKC--if it does not than the MVC is grossly over rated. We all know it has been a two team conference the last ??? few year--usually CU and WSU---occassionally a breakin by a one year fllash-in-the-pan--I donot recall a 2 year in a row run by anyone other than CU and WSU.

What is ironic about MVC numbers and ratins is MSU. The lowest 2013 RPI (204), but the 3rd best SOS.

UM.......UNI won the conference in 08-09 and 09-10 regular season and conference titles....as well as a S16 with a win over Kansas in 10.....also been to 5 NCAA tournaments in the last decade.

WSU hasn't won a conference tournament since the 80's and has just 2 or 3 regular season titles in that same time.


Bradley was in the S16 in 06, SIU has the most tournament appearances in the conference the last 10-15 years (I believe).

[havoc]

What is ironic about MVC numbers and ratins is MSU. The lowest 2013 RPI (204), but the 3rd best SOS.

It is not very ironic if you know the formula for SoS. MSU did not have to play MSU twice like the the rest of the conference did.

[lurkingdog]

RPI is the basketball equivalent of a Ponzi scheme. Thankfully, it hasn't kept Wichita State out of the Final Four.

[rlh04d]

Granted, some of you guys think that the Valley would experience a huge drop off in prestige, rpi, conference status, etc. if UIC was to get an invite. Maybe that will be the case, but then again, maybe not. At any rate, I can't understand for the life of me why some of you are still talking about waiting to see what the Big East will do about St. Louis and Dayton. Why? It appears to me (and ALL of us are on the outside looking in) that there has been some obvious talk between the new Big East, SLU and Dayton and there has be some agreement for those two to stay in the A-10 for another year. For whatever reason the Big East is not allowing all 5 candidates in at this time. That still doesn't mean that SLU and Dayton would move to the MVC. Why would they when it would be to them, a lateral move at best without the A-10 having Butler and Xavier and the Valley minus Creighton. So they'll just wait for now. So just deal with the prospect that the Missouri Valley Conference might just add 1-3 teams that most of you are not going to be satisfied with until they prove themselves!

As a WSU fan, I'm interested in what happens to Saint Louis and Dayton, because we need to leave the Valley for the A-10 if they stay.

As I've said, I'm all for staying in the Valley if the Valley begins thinking long-term with an eye on TV contracts, not an eye on making safe moves for budget strapped teams. I don't see that happening, though.

[rlh04d]

RPI is the basketball equivalent of a Ponzi scheme. Thankfully, it hasn't kept Wichita State out of the Final Four.

It got us into it. We were an at-large team. Add 30 points to our RPI and we don't make the tournament at all.

[rlh04d]

One more time, membership will better both the RPI and SOS of UMKC--if it does not than the MVC is grossly over rated. We all know it has been a two team conference the last ??? few year--usually CU and WSU---occassionally a breakin by a one year fllash-in-the-pan--I donot recall a 2 year in a row run by anyone other than CU and WSU.

Of course membership in the MVC would raise UMKC's SOS. You'd probably increase a ton ... maybe even from #284 to #200!

Of course, you'd add 20 points to every other team in the Valley in doing so, because we'd have to play you. But at least playing us would make you almost not a bad loss to any of us looking for an at-large bid.

[lurkingdog]

Add 30 points to our RPI and we don't make the tournament at all.

If that's true, the committee puts way too much emphasis on SOS. Obviously, 30 RPI points from being excluded is nowhere near an accurate picture of the Shockers.

[KC MVC FAN]

what is everyone's opinion on adding all 3 Horizon League schools at once? Valpo, UI-C, and Loyola-Chicago?

The Horizon lost Butler and did NOTHING at all, and now they have 3 members that are candidates for inclusion into the MVC. I can't decide if it's better for the MVC to sit at 9 for a year (and risk being picked apart in 2014), add one school from the Horizon and stay at 10, or add all 3 Horizon schools and settle at 12? There are pros and cons to every scenario. The MVC presidents have a difficult decision to make.

It doesn't appear there are going to be any better candidates to add in 2014 since St. Louis and Dayton apparently aren't going to be options. So I am guessing something will happen here in a few weeks.

If you want to add 3 schools make it SDSU, NDSU, and UMKC. All regional and the in same timne zone.

[m-v-c]

It seems very clear that media market is going to play a big role in this. All four of those schools mentioned are in a big market (Valparaiso is just outside Chicago). That would explain why looking at UMKC...honestly, do think it is a school that could be a sleeping giant. They'll be back at Municipal Auditorium (historic building, good-sized), KC is a huge college basketball town (or at least tournament town) and if they could win, think they could draw fans. It would be close to WSU, and do think UMKC would be elevated considerably by the MVC. All that said...just not the right timing, don't need a building project for a 10th member. And think the MVC will realize that.

Wouldn't be surprised if the pick is Loyola. Just a guess, but think the MVC really would like to be in Chicago. Not sure if would agree-they play in a new on-campus arena, but it's still small, and haven't really shown that they're even as committed to basketball as MVC schools are. Loyola could grab some of the Chicago market if it could become nationally relevant (since DePaul certainly isn't doing that right now), but personally think they're a stretch. And would say the same about all four of those schools...none of them are going to increase the league's overall strength. Valpo has a little bit of recent basketball history, but can't make these decisions based on results from the last year or three-they lose 7 seniors and could be near bottom of Horizon League next year. It may entirely be a case where the MVC is best waiting this out a year.